Hellion Twin Turbo Coyote F-150

[PatchManager]

As you said, $$ fixes everything - there is a point of return though. A 10-11 sec street truck is more than enough for most, unless you're racing for money or fame.

That said, my tuned PB is perfect for me, right now.

But more money doesn’t necessarily fix stupid.

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[HammaMan]

But more money doesn’t necessarily fix stupid.

Cody is a total jackass, but those fabricators -- I mean it's ugly as hell, but you have to admire the amount of work that went into creating that turd burger. That was a shitload of work.

 

[tsigwing]

I don't think you've paid attention to what these little RCSBs are doing. 4WD plus their weight distribution is hard to beat. The F150s are in a league of their own.

The capability isn't really limited to them alone, it's just they're the most popular. They're not much lighter than the larger cabs, they're just popular due to their smaller footprint and lightning-esque appeal.

aerodynamics of a brick is not a great starting point. As I said, anything can be made fast, just takes time and money, and how people chose to spend either is none of my business.

 

[tsigwing]

Working on and upgrading performance in either handling or power (or both) is a gateway to building DIY confidence regardless if these kids are throwing money away and they learn to actually use (and greatly appreciate) tools.

Half my 10-y/o’s friends are jammed up begging for video game money burning their eyes out because it’s the only form of instant gratification they’ve been raised to grasp. It’s really all they know how to do. The other half are hand-cutting sorghum cane, operating sub-compact loaders and bring meat birds to market all while getting As in school and playing a hellacious amounts of base/basket/foot-ball. Those same kids are tinkering on 2-strike and diesel motors now and could give 2 $hits about fortnite. Along the way they’ve learned to save too.

Net net is nothing around these DIY ethos families stays down for long which allows folks to function efficiently and cost-effectively regardless how much $$$ is hemorrhaging later down the road on turbos, blowers and tractors hah.

Now, the folks that have no experience under a hood racking up CCs for speed are idiots, shame on them but mostly their parents.

By far one of the most rewarding journeys for me was an Armageddon based twin-turbo coyote mustang build. This was a decade ago and Hellion was still fighting with On3. I’d likely go hellion now but put a Vortech in the current coyote cause hell I hadn’t done that before.

Gee, its almost like different folks have different interests and hobbies.

 

[staying_tuned]

Gee, its almost like different folks have different interests and hobbies.

My point was that it's incredibly risky to throw upgrade money at these vehicles if in a phase of life where the opportunity cost on the money spent is high. That scenario is compounded with lack of experience and a tendency to lean on CCs which lands folks in a real bind when they either need it fixed or attempt to get out from under it. It doesn't matter what other hobbies are in play.

If you do have the patience and desire to become handy when it comes to troubleshooting or happened to grow up fiddling & fixing small motors (weed wacker, mower, pump whatever/wherever) and don't stretch too thin than the "hobby" of tinkering on whatever we drive can be fantastic and eons more healthy than the crap we allow our younger folks to get after early on.

My original comment was a response to someone not understanding why anyone mods in the first place. I'm saying that not everyone who takes a perfectly fine truck and dumps money into it is blindly & recklessly throwing cash into a pit is all.

 

[staying_tuned]

aerodynamics of a break is not a great starting point. As I said, anything can be made fast, just takes time and money, and how people chose to spend either is none of my business.

Just to clarify you or I can spend 10k on any 2011 onward F150 and gap a C8 corvette at a drag strip.. Heck less if you or I could get all parts at cost, quite a bit less. There aren't many platforms that can do that. None that can tow with a bed all while having plenty of room for the family (crew cab just needs about 2 more lbs of boost over RCSB).

Not sure if the TSi in your avatar refers to the legendary Eagle Talon TSi but if so you can appreciate the math on the above. Fathom for a moment how much cash you'd need to take a 4G63 into that territory. You can do it with ease w/ a 4x4 F150.

 

[tsigwing]

Just to clarify you or I can spend 10k on any 2011 onward F150 and gap a C8 corvette at a drag strip.. Heck less if you or I could get all parts at cost, quite a bit less. There aren't many platforms that can do that. None that can tow with a bed all while having plenty of room for the family (crew cab just needs about 2 more lbs of boost over RCSB).

Not sure if the TSi in your avatar refers to the legendary Eagle Talon TSi but if so you can appreciate the math on the above. Fathom for a moment how much cash you'd need to take a 4G63 into that territory. You can do it with ease w/ a 4x4 F150.

No avatars for me, so not sure where that came from.

Now we are back to same old argument, I can take this vehicle, do this to it and beat that stock vehicle. Its boring and proves nothing. Take that same F150 and C8 to road track and make those same comparisons. Would be an interesting experiment to take your 2011 F150 with 10k of mods and a stock C8 to the drag strip and run it 100 times down the strip.

Again. ANYTHING can made to be fast if spend enough time and money. How you spend yours is irrelevant to me.

 

[VRFlyer]

10 years of going fast, or rolling around with other men? ? ?

I kid - my humor is a mix of The Breakfast Club and The Office..

Hah! ?

 

[staying_tuned]

I can take this vehicle, do this to it and beat that stock vehicle. Its boring and proves nothing.

I firmly believe that you believe this. I can appreciate where you've netted out on it and I suspect most believe exactly as you do. That level of conviction leaves no room so to each their own brother!

Take that same F150 and C8 to road track and make those same comparisons.

Nobody said anything about a road track, AutoX or HPDEs... It would be ludicrous for anyone who dabbles in any of those ventures to state that an F150 is a good platform to be competitive in those realms.

We are getting ready for a trip to VIR (GT4/GT World Challenge at VIR in July). Nismo team is pushing for open track time and my brother and I are huge VIR fans, its his home track. We're bringing his GT3 RS and a highly modified (terribly soft otherwise) 23' Nissan Z perf manual. GT3 RS is my brothers, I dumped an R35 GT-R for the Z a few months ago. I say all this because I'm very familiar with the array of courses and appropriate weapons out there and couldn't agree more when talking F150 on a road or track course but people and passion-wise, I'd prefer to be at a drag-strip 9/10 times and that's where an F150 can really REALLY shine. A lot of other F150 (and truck in general) owners feel that way as well. 4x4 + coyote/3.5 EB + aluminum body is really a fantastic multi-purpose platform, nothing like it that I can think of actually.

 

[tsigwing]

I firmly believe that you believe this. I can appreciate where you've netted out on it and I suspect most believe exactly as you do. That level of conviction leaves no room so to each their own brother!



Nobody said anything about a road track, AutoX or HPDEs... It would be ludicrous for anyone who dabbles in any of those ventures to state that an F150 is a good platform to be competitive in those realms.

We are getting ready for a trip to VIR (GT4/GT World Challenge at VIR in July). Nismo team is pushing for open track time and my brother and I are huge VIR fans, its his home track. We're bringing his GT3 RS and a highly modified (terribly soft otherwise) 23' Nissan Z perf manual. GT3 RS is my brothers, I dumped an R35 GT-R for the Z a few months ago. I say all this because I'm very familiar with the array of courses and appropriate weapons out there and couldn't agree more when talking F150 on a road or track course but people and passion-wise, I'd prefer to be at a drag-strip 9/10 times and that's where an F150 can really REALLY shine. A lot of other F150 (and truck in general) owners feel that way as well. 4x4 + coyote/3.5 EB + aluminum body is really a fantastic multi-purpose platform, nothing like it that I can think of actually.

Well, you brought up a comparison to the C8, which although it is very fast on a drag strip, that is not where it shines. It is an awesome track car. You should make your comparison to the Challenger. It is much more of a 1/4 mile car.

 

[staying_tuned]

Well, you brought up a comparison to the C8, which although it is very fast on a drag strip, that is not where it shines. It is an awesome track car. You should make your comparison to the Challenger. It is much more of a 1/4 mile car.

True, yeah it was a mismatched comparison. C8 is a monster OOTB on a road track to be certain.

 

[amschind]

A Coyote with twin turbos and no cylinder deactivation is a monster. The appeal of the 3.5 isn't the engine topology, it's the factory twin e-wastegate turbos.

 

[Eskram]

Cody is a total jackass, but those fabricators -- I mean it's ugly as hell, but you have to admire the amount of work that went into creating that turd burger. That was a shitload of work.

Yeah, they got zero to little credit for that - that is some amazing fabrication, and it even held up to his fuckery. On par for the channel though.

 

[Mtnman1]

TRC video is insane what they did on a stock 2024 5.0
Mid 9.70's..

Stock Coyote can handle a lot of boost before you need to modifiy/replace stock parts. If memory serves, can go to 18 lbs before cylinder liner needs upgraded.

This is why the coyote is much better than a LS. Dont need to spend anything on a stock motor to get serious HP. Just add turbo/blower with tune and done.

LS? New cam. New heads. New exhaust, new pistons, then add boost and tune. Stock wont get you into the serious HP range. And dont waste time with the 5.3. Gotta go 6.2.

 

[v8440]

People get 1000 hp and more out of stock unrebuilt ls's all the time, including with stock UNPORTED heads. Just takes boost, and regap the piston rings. Don't need new ones, just put them back on the pistons. You can make 1000 and more with a 4.8. I like coyotes as much as the next guy, but what you said about ls engines is so far from true it's ridiculous.

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