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[Ghurst]

lol…. You guys talking about under powered vehicles must not have ever had to drive a vehicle from the 80’s or 90’s!! ??

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[Captain Dirty Beard]

power delta simply isn't large enough in this segment.

Not true at high altitude. My Powerboost will annihilate a 5.3 Sierra/Silverado, and will still decisively walk away from a 6.2 Truck. I test drove a Sierra Denali 6.2 right before I bought this truck, and the difference in power output is significant. Really the only downside to the 3.5 EB/PB compared to the 6.2 is engine braking. Forced induction cannot account for the lack of displacement in that regard.

 

[Polo08816]

Ok, so you're behind a 5.3L on an on-ramp with no one ahead of him and he's not exiting the on-ramp and merging at a reasonable pace? (Now here's where we need clarification - at a reasonable pace or simply a pace that you believe you're capable of?).

I think what you're observing is simply a lack of driving ability/skill or just situational awareness that's prevalent in the general driver population.

The point that I'm trying to make is that all these vehicles don't have such a power output delta that it would overcome driver ability.

For example, if I am able to exit a corner and I'm at 10-15mph faster than the car behind me at the track out point at 40mph, you won't be able to catch me before we both hit 80mph (imaginary speed limiter) because the power delta simply isn't large enough in this segment.

If the 5.3 were so terrible, you would think there would be significant demand for the 6.2 in the police fleet market - or at least to detune the 6.2 to run regular gas. I see Tahoe PPVs with the 5.3L having no trouble merging onto highway traffic both from on-ramps and from a dead stop on the median.

I would always prefer the 6.2 over the 5.3, but based on my experience as a driver and track enthusiast, I know I could adjust to the 5.3 to make it work and still be substantially faster than the general population in most real world driving situations other than a straight line acceleration test from a dig.



Agreed.

If that were the most important criteria, add a Ford Performance supercharger onto a F150 with the 5.0. You'll have 700hp and you'll be able to call it a day.

Not true at high altitude. My Powerboost will annihilate a 5.3 Sierra/Silverado, and will still decisively walk away from a 6.2 Truck. I test drove a Sierra Denali 6.2 right before I bought this truck, and the difference in power output is significant. Really the only downside to the 3.5 EB/PB compared to the 6.2 is engine braking. Forced induction cannot account for the lack of displacement in that regard.

I included the original post so we can capture the context.

Yes, NA has a power loss at altitude. FI has a power loss but it isn't as much relatively speaking.

However, I standby my original statement that if I exit a on-ramp at 40mph (10-15mph faster than the car behind me), that car behind me won't catch up to me by the time we reach a speed limiter of 80mph unless the power differential is enormous.

I've seen this play out too many times with cars that have almost 50% more power than me after a 3/4 mile straight before the entry into the next corner. I've also experienced the other side of this with E36 M3s with Hoosier slicks come out of corners 10-15mph faster than me. I'll be right in their rear view mirror after half a mile and entering the braking zone of the next corner at 138mph. BUT that's after half a mile and reaching speeds in excess of 130mph to try to overtake a less powerful and slower straight line vehicle.

Exit speed is so critical. That's why you can afford to be slightly slow going into a turn but you really can't afford to not be properly set up for a fast exit. "Slow in, fast out."

 

[Old Hat]

lol…. You guys talking about under powered vehicles must not have ever had to drive a vehicle from the 80’s or 90’s!! ??

I'm still wondering how I successfully navigated tens of thousands of on/off ramps all these years without the racer cornering skills and timing that is apparently necessary. Whew!

 

[Polo08816]

I'm still wondering how I successfully navigated tens of thousands of on/off ramps all these years without the racer cornering skills and timing that is apparently necessary. Whew!

How did you not get run over by @Samson16 for going too slow?

 

[Samson16]

For example, if I am able to exit a corner and I'm at 10-15mph faster than the car behind me at the track out point at 40mph, you won't be able to catch me before we both hit 80mph (imaginary speed limiter) because the power delta simply isn't large enough in this segment.

Yes if you could maintain sufficient speed through the corner with your 5.3 pickup and I’m not doing the same then yes you could reach 80mph before I catch you. Real world we both go around the curve at appropriate speeds for full size pickups then we both floor it and I bang into your tailgate pushing you up the hill because your 5.3l is such a dog. As we both reach 80mph, we roll down our windows and wave to one another. “ See you tomorrow!” I say smiling as you reply “Thanks again for the push!” ?

 

[JExpedition07]

Wheeeeeeeeeee *shift* wheeeeeeeeeee *shift* wheeeeeeee and I blow by all your slow ass pickups in my GT-500

 

[Old Hat]

How did you not get run over by @Samson16 for going too slow?

The risk comes when you improperly mix your speeds thinking that will somehow save you. "Slow in and Slow out" for the win!

 

[Polo08816]

Yes if you could maintain sufficient speed through the corner with your 5.3 pickup and I’m not doing the same then yes you could reach 80mph before I catch you. Real world we both go around the curve at appropriate speeds for full size pickups then we both floor it and I bang into your tailgate pushing you up the hill because your 5.3l is such a dog. As we both reach 80mph, we roll down our windows and wave to one another. “ See you tomorrow!” I say smiling as you reply “Thanks again for the push!” ?

Correction: "Real world we both go around the curve at appropriate speeds for the vehicle and driver...."

If you're use the same exact line and go the same exact speed, and then floor squeeze the throttle based on how much forward traction you have, then it's really no different than straight line racing from a roll or a dig.

 

[Polo08816]

Wheeeeeeeeeee *shift* wheeeeeeeeeee *shift* wheeeeeeee and I blow by all your slow ass pickups in my GT-500

If you installed this: https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6066-F150SCA

... you could probably just make a 90 degree right turn from a near dead stop and still blow past both @Samson16 and me in half a mile.

 

[v8440]

This has devolved much further than I thought it would, considering what the actual thread is about. I'll take it one step further. (Once I get it running) None of you guys will catch my datsun in a straight line acceleration contest, unless you run 7's or quicker. So there!

 

[Polo08816]

This has devolved much further than I thought it would, considering what the actual thread is about. I'll take it one step further. (Once I get it running) None of you guys will catch my datsun in a straight line acceleration contest, unless you run 7's or quicker. So there!

It's like that Tundra vs. F150 thread on the Tundra forums.

 

[JExpedition07]

If you installed this: https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6066-F150SCA

... you could probably just make a 90 degree right turn from a near dead stop and still blow past both @Samson16 and me in half a mile.

I thought about that but priorities shifted for the truck early on, that’s what the Mustang is for. The F-150 just doesn’t have the handling to really enjoy the power to its full potential.

 

[Sigma1914]

1000% the digital layout and look it soooo cheap and cluttered.

I have a base tremor and always wanted the digi gauges.

However…….im currently stuck in a lariat rental with the digital gauges and these are video game horseshit! Super glad I have the og needles

I was just telling myself this last month. I have a 2023 Rocky Ridge with the custom RR gauges. So glad I got the 2023 RR because the 2024 went to full digital and I like the custom setup way better! Now I can say that I have the last year of the custom gauges! Every year there’s more and more features being taken away from us customers and that’s another one of them. SMH

 

[js312]

Curious why so many people love or want 4A? I have it, and I've literally never used it. My truck stays in 2H until I need 4x4 off-road. Most times on the trail I can even get by with 2H or throw on the rear diff lock. Maybe people that drive in snow a lot want it? Why not just hit the 4H when that happens?

I've wondered that myself. I drive in snow a fair amount in winter, and I guess it would engage the front axle upon the beginning of traction loss before I do, I dunno. I've never really seen an overriding need for it myself.

One example - I find a lot of side roads are covered in ice and snow and main roads are clear. In 2H, getting out of the side roads can be challenging. In 4H, you have to get moving then switch back quickly to avoid binding on the pavement. 4A takes care of everything.

People also don't always understand how it works. It isn't 2WD until it slips, it sends power to the front proactively often, like when taking off from a stop, climbing hills, etc.

I had a Tacoma and an F-150 without it before, and it's so much nicer to have it.

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