Ford CEO Jim Farley Interview

[Pelican]

I would expect a less powerful and less capable truck to get better mileage than my PB.

"once a week" makes for thin anecdotal evidence but 23mpg around town is excellent. I didn't realize the non PB 3.5 does that well in the city.

The mpg is somewhat surprising to me as well. I have a topper on it along with a two modular tool boxes packed with tools in the bed that are always in the bed while on the road. While the 3.5 is not as powerful as the PB (~30hp? and some additional torque), I believe it makes up for it with being not being as heavy as the PB.

Once a week

I would expect a less powerful and less capable truck to get better mileage than my PB.

"once a week" makes for thin anecdotal evidence but 23mpg around town is excellent. I didn't realize the non PB 3.5 does that well in the city.

I probably should have provided more information on my once a week trip, which has been taking place since July 7th, 2021, when I took delivery of my truck at my home (dealer delivered it to me). Typically, I make the trip at least once a week, but it's more often more than once a week, so I'm not so sure I would consider my mileage experience as anecdotal.

Regarding power, according to the table below, the 3.5 PB does have the overall advantage when it comes to rated horsepower (30 more than the 3.5 Eco) and torque (70 more than the 3.5 Eco); however, the 3.5 Eco leads the pack with respect to Available Max. Towing, which is the reason I purchased the truck. I often tow a compact track loader (just under 6,500lbs excluding trailer).

While I have never done a 0-60 test of the 3.5PB against 3.5Eco, I would be surprised if the 3.5PB would come out on top considering the additional weight of the electric motor, regenerative breaking mechanisms and the battery pack.

I'm a huge fan of the 3.5PB and would have purchased one if it had a proven track record and the tow rating I need at the time I purchased my truck in July 2021. My next F-150 will be a 3.5PB with the 7.2kw generator as long as Ford doesn't cut out too many more parts and diminish its quality.

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[HammaMan]

I'm a huge fan of the 3.5PB and would have purchased one if it had a proven track record and the tow rating I need at the time I purchased my truck in July 2021. My next F-150 will be a 3.5PB with the 7.2kw generator as long as Ford doesn't cut out too many more parts and diminish its quality.

The PB is the 3.5 + 47hp / 70ftlb tq e-motor that's at full power at 0 RPM. I'm convinced ford's power ratings are paper only. The only ICE F150 it doesn't pull away from is the 5.2 SC'd raptor R. Yes, it is heavier but it's also got 3.73s and an absolutely ridiculous amount of torque. I think the 302a is the value spot, but do budget another $1200 to swap to the 4a transfer case if you want to reliably / often put the power down.

 

[JExpedition07]

I’d still like to know why/how the 5.0L is rated 400 hp @6,000 rpm, yet it shifts at 6,700 rpm…and by Fords own stock power plot on the performance website comparison for the new supercharger package it clearly rolls right past 400 horsepower on the way to the factory redline. Lol.

 

[Samson16]

The mpg is somewhat surprising to me as well. I have a topper on it along with a two modular tool boxes packed with tools in the bed that are always in the bed while on the road. While the 3.5 is not as powerful as the PB (~30hp? and some additional torque), I believe it makes up for it with being not being as heavy as the PB.

Once a week

I probably should have provided more information on my once a week trip, which has been taking place since July 7th, 2021, when I took delivery of my truck at my home (dealer delivered it to me). Typically, I make the trip at least once a week, but it's more often more than once a week, so I'm not so sure I would consider my mileage experience as anecdotal.

Regarding power, according to the table below, the 3.5 PB does have the overall advantage when it comes to rated horsepower (30 more than the 3.5 Eco) and torque (70 more than the 3.5 Eco); however, the 3.5 Eco leads the pack with respect to Available Max. Towing, which is the reason I purchased the truck. I often tow a compact track loader (just under 6,500lbs excluding trailer).

While I have never done a 0-60 test of the 3.5PB against 3.5Eco, I would be surprised if the 3.5PB would come out on top considering the additional weight of the electric motor, regenerative breaking mechanisms and the battery pack.

I'm a huge fan of the 3.5PB and would have purchased one if it had a proven track record and the tow rating I need at the time I purchased my truck in July 2021. My next F-150 will be a 3.5PB with the 7.2kw generator as long as Ford doesn't cut out too many more parts and diminish its quality.

Mostly what Hamma said plus better mileage and your 3.5EB needs to be 2WD and have an 8’ bed along with max tow for 14,000lbs. The 6,800lb mentioned can be easily towed by either model. I wouldn’t have taken the leap with a Powerboost had I not already been impressed with the proven 3.5 Ecoboost power plant. I’m just defending and bragging on my choice really lol which is clearly superior to all other possible choices.

 

[Samson16]

I’d still like to know why/how the 5.0L is rated 400 hp @6,000 rpm, yet it shifts at 6,700 rpm…and by Fords own stock power plot on the performance website comparison for the new supercharger package it clearly rolls right past 400 horsepower on the way to the factory redline. Lol.

It’s a conspiracy to deny us the pleasure of driving that race engine of yours!

 

[JExpedition07]

It’s a conspiracy to deny us the pleasure of driving that race engine of yours!

I just find it interesting lol. They shift a lot higher than 6,000 rpm under wide open throttle. Maybe they decided to stop counting after 6,000 . Dunno.

 

[hotrodmex]

I’d still like to know why/how the 5.0L is rated 400 hp @6,000 rpm, yet it shifts at 6,700 rpm…and by Fords own stock power plot on the performance website comparison for the new supercharger package it clearly rolls right past 400 horsepower on the way to the factory redline. Lol.

I just find it interesting lol. They shift a lot higher than 6,000 rpm under wide open throttle. Maybe they decided to stop counting after 6,000 . Dunno.

Why would the transmission not shift after the HP peak? There's still power up there that's more than if you shifted right at 6k to a lower RPM. Shift at 6700 and you're higher in the power band after the shift.

 

[Samson16]

I'm not certain but watching stock dyno pulls in various gears it appears the limiter comes into play. Looks like there is more power up there(it is a high rpm car motor after all ) but Ford designed the truck for truck things using the well engineered and proven coyote V8 and not for top end performance numbers. Just look at how they designed that 7.3L boat anchor and be thankful!

That engine is the poster child for diesels...

 

[JExpedition07]

They could do a 5.0 variant, but I don't expect to see a super charger in its future. The PB's motor has but 2 belt driven accessories and they use 2 discrete belts. The 3.5 already puts out more power than the 5.0, so the choice to have such a combo would be purely for engine preference.

I like not hearing the motor, at all, and it's got a lot of power.

Well we sort of know there will be for the Mustang, I am just not sure if it makes it to the F-150. It’s primarily going to be an 500+ horsepower EV fighter. The upcoming Camaro is only electric, so that will be its competitor. The Camaro we know is going away, the new renderings are more like the Mustang Mach-e with 4 doors. So it’ll be weird, we will have a crazy V8 hybrid as well as the Mach-E on the Ford corner. I think Fords team is right in that interview, a muscle car isn’t muscle without a V8, and they’ve doubled down their commitment to the naturally aspirated V8 hard. We will see who outsells who in 2026 when both packages duke it out. I think GM will struggle to attract the performance crowd to an EV-only. A V8 with e-power assist sounds a lot more fun to me.

GM is good at screwing up nameplates. Their Blazer is an utter failure, the new Camaro is a CUV (nothing wrong with it, but that’s not what Camaro buyers ever wanted). Ford does a much better job. The Bronco is actually a Bronco.

 

[JJSnell]

So for what its worth, if you listen to the interview. I like how Ford is focusing on in house programmers for their computers. Granted with that, there will be some hiccups, but eliminating 3rd party outsourcing is a huge plus.
Additionally, opening up to new markets ie; Norway.... he said in two weeks they filled enough orders for the entire year, that is another HUGE plus. Lastly, working the mines to head off China and their monopolistic dominance on precious metals is key.
That is where the US has really failed by signing over and losing mineral rights to these resources.

Side note... is Jim wearing a Goodyear hat a sign of other changes?

 

[Chili]

A 4WD 3.5 Eco is 17 City/23 highway

This is exactly what I get in my real world results using e10 gas. Non oxy would improve it some I'm sure.

It does seem as though the 2.7 would get better mileage than all, but they tend to be on lower option trucks that weigh less, so that helps too.

 

[Chili]

Well we sort of know there will be for the Mustang, I am just not sure if it makes it to the F-150. It’s primarily going to be an 500+ horsepower EV fighter. The upcoming Camaro is only electric, so that will be its competitor. The Camaro we know is going away, the new renderings are more like the Mustang Mach-e with 4 doors. So it’ll be weird, we will have a crazy V8 hybrid as well as the Mach-E on the Ford corner. I think Fords team is right in that interview, a muscle car isn’t muscle without a V8, and they’ve doubled down their commitment to the naturally aspirated V8 hard. We will see who outsells who in 2026 when both packages duke it out. I think GM will struggle to attract the performance crowd to an EV-only. A V8 with e-power assist sounds a lot more fun to me.

GM is good at screwing up nameplates. Their Blazer is an utter failure, the new Camaro is a CUV (nothing wrong with it, but that’s not what Camaro buyers ever wanted). Ford does a much better job. The Bronco is actually a Bronco.

That's the rumor about the Camaro but we just don't know. We do know they have a new gen v8 coming and I don't believe it will go in a car, but they could be keeping their options open internally. EV has been getting a lot of backlash lately.

I will say I have been disappointed with the s650 Mustang in being a true performance car and hope GM makes another ICE Camaro, even if it's a hatchback/sedan or something more practical.

 

[JExpedition07]

The S650 is exactly what it should be imo, a RWD 500 horsepower V8 coupe. That’s American muscle at its core. She handles great by all accounts with the IRS. Hatchback, CUV, sedan is not an American pony or muscle car.

 

[dolsen]

The S650 is exactly what it should be imo, a RWD 500 horsepower V8 coupe. That’s American muscle at its core. She handles great by all accounts with the IRS. Hatchback, CUV, sedan is not an American pony or muscle car.

I thought for sure it would’ve been aluminum though

 

[JExpedition07]

I thought for sure it would’ve been aluminum though

I’ve scratched my head since the S550 on that one. It’s a pretty heavy car.

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