EPA changes and rule rollbacks

[Azstroke]

Make Acid Rain Great Again? Lets put lead back in gas and paint?

I had family that lived near a steel mill. The whole town was orange. Really. A white German Shepard, was orange.

I remember the first time we traveled the Pennsylvania Turnpike, 60 some years or so ago. All the dead trees, as far as you could see.

I remember rivers, literally catching fire, because of all the crap that was dumped into them.

I remember as a kid, asking my Dad, why all that land, that is along side and in the medians of highways couldn't be hayed. Lead contamination from gasoline.

I remember when they permanently evacuated and made Times Beach, a Ghost Town, due to dumping of Dioxin.

I don't want to go back to that.

The Powerboost wouldn't even exist and that would be a damn shame.

Regs to reduce pollution and enhance energy efficiency drove those changes.

Solar panels, wouldn't be a buck a watt and lithium battery tech. sure as hell wouldn't be price competitive with lead. Not even taking into consideration the massive outperformance they provide.

Its fair to consider that some regs went too far, or too fast. Fine, fix that but that comes with honest study and negotiation, not meat cleavers.

I don't think anyone is talking about J & L firing up the furnaces along the parkway east any time soon. They've been gone a long time now, and there are cleaner ways of producing steel now anyway. All they're doing is rolling back some of the insane NGO decisions that are inhibiting self-reliance.

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[Davexxxx]

The article clearly involves smoke stack emissions and favors coal. They've already slashed slurry pond requirements and we just had a major failure, 4 -5 years ago?

So, I think those who are saying its just gonna be some minor tweaks to auto requirements, are whistling past the graveyard.

And who is gonna enforce what is left? I saw where they're closing 13 EPA enforcement offices and slashing that staff too.

And I think it is out loud laughable, that any, especially of this group, would say with a straight face, that big corporations will be responsive to "the people", in any sort of short term way. How responsive is Ford on assuring obvious flaws aren't put out? Millions of bad batteries. Atrocious paint jobs. Axing a beloved feature with a truly competitive advantage, as the door keypad, only to be replaced with sticky tape version that you have to replace the batteries on?

Market Forces do work but they take time and during that time, "The People" are the ones holding the bag. And once confronted beyond denial of responsibility, corps often just go bankrupt and you're left holding the bag anyway. See Superfund sites.

And as far as the complaints about unelected bureaucrats ... Another word for that is professional staff, with subject expertise, established and empowered, by the laws written and passed by the legislatures and executives. No one person can be an expert in everything. They all have staff and delegate responsibilities. This can and should be reviewed, , challenged, tweaked, adjusted and complained about but it is never going away and you don't really want it to.

And while I'm at this hopefully last post about this, if I truly believed, that this was all some sort of prep to better resist a future violent China, I'd be very concerned about the antagonistic attitude toward our allies. Especially, members of 5eyes. Claiming Canada's border as invalid, or that it should be a US State, is stupid and reckless. And I'm being super nice there. Same for threatening to claim the Panama Canal, or Greenland, or Gaza, or abandoning our promise to protect Ukraine, in exchange for their nukes, during the fall of the Soviet Union. Or withdrawing participation in NATO, or the UN. Criticism is fair and occasional adjustments are desirable but in this ham fisted way?

Why should anyone believe us ever again, or assist us, in time of need?

 

[amschind]

The article clearly involves smoke stack emissions and favors coal. They've already slashed slurry pond requirements and we just had a major failure, 4 -5 years ago?

So, I think those who are saying its just gonna be some minor tweaks to auto requirements, are whistling past the graveyard.

And who is gonna enforce what is left? I saw where they're closing 13 EPA enforcement offices and slashing that staff too.

And I think it is out loud laughable, that any, especially of this group, would say with a straight face, that big corporations will be responsive to "the people", in any sort of short term way. How responsive is Ford on assuring obvious flaws aren't put out? Millions of bad batteries. Atrocious paint jobs. Axing a beloved feature with a truly competitive advantage, as the door keypad, only to be replaced with sticky tape version that you have to replace the batteries on?

Market Forces do work but they take time and during that time, "The People" are the ones holding the bag. And once confronted beyond denial of responsibility, corps often just go bankrupt and you're left holding the bag anyway. See Superfund sites.

And as far as the complaints about unelected bureaucrats ... Another word for that is professional staff, with subject expertise, established and empowered, by the laws written and passed by the legislatures and executives. No one person can be an expert in everything. They all have staff and delegate responsibilities. This can and should be reviewed, , challenged, tweaked, adjusted and complained about but it is never going away and you don't really want it to.

And while I'm at this hopefully last post about this, if I truly believed, that this was all some sort of prep to better resist a future violent China, I'd be very concerned about the antagonistic attitude toward our allies. Especially, members of 5eyes. Claiming Canada's border as invalid, or that it should be a US State, is stupid and reckless. And I'm being super nice there. Same for threatening to claim the Panama Canal, or Greenland, or Gaza, or abandoning our promise to protect Ukraine, in exchange for their nukes, during the fall of the Soviet Union. Or withdrawing participation in NATO, or the UN. Criticism is fair and occasional adjustments are desirable but in this ham fisted way?

Why should anyone believe us ever again, or assist us, in time of need?

Consider that the EPA formula for mileage vs the areal footprint of the vehicle is a major driver for increasing vehicle size, independent of consumer preference. As in, think on that for a while, and what implications that might have on some of the points that you have made.

 

[ReverendQ]

EPA is currently trying to rollback just about every regulation passed since 2009 as well as ending the future regulations like requiring GPFs (DPFs but for gasoline vehicles). If they're successful in the current endeavors we could see the T4 diesel emissions standards removed as well as EGR nonsense. It also is looking to do away with the start/stop and the other AFM and similar schemes for shutting down cylinders, and at least halt increasing efficiency requirements to lock in 2026 CAFE standards. Also sounds like they're going to remove CARB's waiver as well.

They're especially targeting the rules trying to choke out power plants as well. Crazy pace things are moving at!
Also removing restriction from AL / Steel plants as well. Things that have been tying the hands of domestic manufacturing promoting the offshoring of these industries. It's barely getting any mentions but this is huge news!

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Don't get me started on how low flow toilets are ineffective at saving water.

 

[gwb82]

Yeah, the agency had more than quadrupled in size since then and what has it yielded? A bunch of overpaid nannies trying to justify their existence. Plus this whole legislate via bureaucrat is for the cows. CONGRESS makes laws, not some nobody in DC. If it's worthy of a law, they can hang up from fundraising for just half a day and become learned. Especially now that The People have ai that can read these massive bills in seconds to spill the beans on the shenanigans they're cramming into them.

Look, if they want to create a 4th branch of govt to handle the nanny legislation, we're going to have to amend the constitution. Until then the executive has the power to gut the administrative state and it can't come soon enough. If they're not having to re-hire the 10% that carried the load, they haven't fired enough. With the looming shutdown, the trimming will become even more expedited. Amazing times -- I've waited nearly 10 years to see this transpire.

Hammaman, I think you are a genius at understanding a ford f150 and I really respect you for that. But we must be careful to not move to far from the constitution and democracy. Cutting the fraud waste and abuse is good, but we must not ignore the balance of power in the process or we move to autocracy. Again, respectfully submitted.

 

[HammaMan]

Hammaman, I think you are a genius at understanding a ford f150 and I really respect you for that. But we must be careful to not move to far from the constitution and democracy. Cutting the fraud waste and abuse is good, but we must not ignore the balance of power in the process or we move to autocracy. Again, respectfully submitted.

We left the rails a long time ago as to how things were intended to function. Don't be blinded by normalcy bias. A lot of people have been dissatisfied with a lot of things but just went along to get along. The CFR is in excess of 180,000 pages. Congress hasn't made but 60k of them. That's not laws, that's pages of laws. Printed on good old regular 20lb paper, I need another 600lbs of payload to carry it in my truck. That's strictly CFR, not case law, not state or municipality law (that's a 6 story tall book if you're wondering)

The EPA's GHG regs along with all of the other rules the busybodies were up to, have been hurting The people more than helping. Read this on the impact of a single fire season's impact

Part of the EPA's rule rollbacks includes a public comment period so we'll get to see what people, businesses, and special interests have to say about it all. As the pacific garbage patch shows, out of sight / out of mind isn't a viable solution.

 

[gwb82]

We left the rails a long time ago as to how things were intended to function. Don't be blinded by normalcy bias. A lot of people have been dissatisfied with a lot of things but just went along to get along. The CFR is in excess of 180,000 pages. Congress hasn't made but 60k of them. That's not laws, that's pages of laws. Printed on good old regular 20lb paper, I need another 600lbs of payload to carry it in my truck. That's strictly CFR, not case law, not state or municipality law (that's a 6 story tall book if you're wondering)

The EPA's GHG regs along with all of the other rules the busybodies were up to, have been hurting The people more than helping. Read this on the impact of a single fire season's impact

Part of the EPA's rule rollbacks includes a public comment period so we'll get to see what people, businesses, and special interests have to say about it all. As the pacific garbage patch shows, out of sight / out of mind isn't a viable solution.

Hammaman I thank you for the reply. I agree with you and respect your opinion on the above, I just am old and may think a little differently, but I am not one of Mary’s little lambs. I tend to be slow and steady and not fast and furious. Not to say you are either one. I think I will leave you with that and stop my current diatribe and just listen to your excellent F-150 advice I have come to rely on through this forum. I really appreciate it. Regards.

 

[nvabill]

Yay! V-8’s for every trim line, I want me a V-8 King Ranch!

 

[GypsyDanger]

I can agree that the EPA has had some over the top regulations that effect the every day person in ways that they had no need of doing. But I cant help but brace for corps to take advantage of every gap and lack of oversight they can find in the name of efficiency and profit. If there's a bottom line and I have to pick between bureaucracy and corporate interest/profit....im going to go with the bureaucracy. In my state of Ohio, we are leasing land for drilling and i really don't feel comfortable with the idea of spills in parks that i hold near and dear to me. I don't remember ever voting for that.

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