CAFE Standard is History - Will the PowerBoost be cancelled

[Old Hat]

Interesting conversation. Thanks to all, especially @XLT22 for sharing your industry insider knowledge.

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[Aonarch]

Companies like Ford will spend years planning the next generation. There is so much involved, from the engineering itself, to the suppliers, the certifications, manufacturing, etc.

The next administration will be in office in 3 years, shorter than a company like Ford will spend planning their vehicle portfolio.

I'm hoping Gen15 will have a hybrid and a PHEV versus fully BEV.

 

[Chris GTO TT]

How do you see FSD impacting companies like Ford, which, like most, are light years behind what Tesla has already achieved? Resist or not, within 5 years, there will be much more adoption. I don't see how a company like Ford competes on an EV level without FSD. Licensing from Tesla?

Tesla only has a consumer perceived advantage because they have had level 2 for so long. The reality is they're still basically stuck at Level 2 on autonomous driving. Several other manufacturers have level 3 and to my knowledge no one has actual functioning Level 4 in consumer hands. And for now Level 5 is a pure pipe dream for everyone.

Levels explanation https://www.synopsys.com/blogs/chip-design/autonomous-driving-levels.html

 

[FirstTimeFord]

Tesla only has a consumer perceived advantage because they have had level 2 for so long. The reality is they're still basically stuck at Level 2 on autonomous driving. Several other manufacturers have level 3 and to my knowledge no one has actual functioning Level 4 in consumer hands. And for now Level 5 is a pure pipe dream for everyone.

Levels explanation https://www.synopsys.com/blogs/chip-design/autonomous-driving-levels.html

I believe Robotaxi is near Level 4 and Tesla seems to be the winning approach. Just a matter of time, and they seem to be making leaps and bounds in the forward direction. 14.2.1 looks pretty interesting from the limited videos I've seen. Haven't experienced myself. As you say, "perceived" perception on my part

 

[CedarEden]

Just me, but SS drives me absolutely bonkers. The delays they cause at traffic lights alone are a net negative. In FL, the AC during those downtimes is not the same, no thanks. No amount of "data" will convince me that an engine is better off with SS than one without. As for fuel savings, I say drill more, lower fuel costs, and move on! Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge TSLA fan and believe EV's are the future, especially FSD. However, let ICE be ICE, and people make their own choices. Hybrids are a great choice for those who love both and the power generation that comes with owning one. I'm curious how long my starter is gonna last though, since I installed my 4D Tech Day 1.

My understanding (and experience) is that the PowerBoost is using a flywheel to start, not the starter. And I see it as a non-issue. I have never noticed any delay starting from a stop.

 

[powerboatr]

I’d like to see them implement an electric assist motor (hybrid) with the 2.7 ecoboost motor and gear it more towards fuel economy. The 2.7 ICE Ecoboost nearly matches the current powerboost real world fuel economy now so imagine what it could do with electrification. PHEV vehicles get too heavy and expensive with their larger batteries which is fine for the 70k plus upper trims if they still sell but not very appealing to families that need a more practical vehicle that can do truck stuff. Ford would need to address their abysmal hybrid technology reliability issues first though.

I had a 2.7 as a loaner for a few weeks
Fuel economy was very very impressive
I have always liked the pb setup
But never owned one.
I imagine it won't kill the pb,
But a pb variant for superduty might or could step in

 

[Davexxxx]

As far as the stop start on non-PB vehicles, I loathe them.

But why? What is there about it, to make you feel that strongly?

I only have experience with one vehicle that has it and it doesn't bother me in the least.

2024 Bronco Sport Badlands.

There is no delay. By the time I move my foot from brake to throttle, its on and ready. And if the battery is low, it is automatically disabled. What is to hate so much?

 

[FirstTimeFord]

My understanding (and experience) is that the PowerBoost is using a flywheel to start, not the starter. And I see it as a non-issue. I have never noticed any delay starting from a stop.

To be clear, not talking about the Powerboost having a delay. ICE only motors seem to have a bit of a delay going from stopped to started and driving through the light. When you have multiple cars in a line doing this, it adds up to not so many cars making it through the light. Add distracted phone users in the mix, and it gets very annoying. Just my observation. My wife's car has Stop/Start. I see a delay when she goes to pull away. Slight, but there every time, leaving a gap between her and the car in front of her. Domino effect.

 

[UGADawg96]

But why? What is there about it, to make you feel that strongly?

I only have experience with one vehicle that has it and it doesn't bother me in the least.

2024 Bronco Sport Badlands.

There is no delay. By the time I move my foot from brake to throttle, its on and ready. And if the battery is low, it is automatically disabled. What is to hate so much?

No AC in hot ass FL when the engine is off at a stop light, jerkiness of the engine start after every stop, and it is annoying AF. I will die on this hill.

 

[CedarEden]

To be clear, not talking about the Powerboost having a delay. ICE only motors seem to have a bit of a delay going from stopped to started and driving through the light. When you have multiple cars in a line doing this, it adds up to not so many cars making it through the light. Add distracted phone users in the mix, and it gets very annoying. Just my observation. My wife's car has Stop/Start. I see a delay when she goes to pull away. Slight, but there every time, leaving a gap between her and the car in front of her. Domino effect.

Thanks. I agree it is a real issue with ICE vehicles. My old work F150 was ICE and had start/stop. I despised it!

 

[Davexxxx]

No AC in hot ass FL when the engine is off at a stop light, jerkiness of the engine start after every stop, and it is annoying AF. I will die on this hill.

I believe you

I just haven't experienced those problems and disabling it, is just a switch away, so it seems pretty radical, to want it removed for everyone.

 

[Davexxxx]

I believe you

I just haven't experienced those problems and disabling it, is just a switch away, so it seems pretty radical, to want it removed for everyone.

Maybe it should be moved from a hard button, to a switch in Sync. under driver assistance, or whatever. Choose it once and be done.

 

[FirstTimeFord]

No AC in hot ass FL when the engine is off at a stop light, jerkiness of the engine start after every stop, and it is annoying AF. I will die on this hill.

You got that right! The AC is super weak under battery only and you know for sure in July/Aug in FL. My wife's BMW is "mild hybrid". By default, remote start uses only battery. It's worthless for cooling the car. Turn motor driven remote start option on, it's night and day difference. It's actually cold when you get in the car, the way it should be. Save some room for me on that hill.

 

[FirstTimeFord]

Maybe it should be moved from a hard button, to a switch in Sync. under driver assistance, or whatever. Choose it once and be done.

How about if someone wants it, they pay $1,000 to get it and the rest of us save $1,000 to buy more gas . That's what I'm talking about!

On my 23, it was a $50 credit to delete. What a scam. I was happy to have it removed though On my 25, I had to pay for the 4D Tech bypass and the non-optional Stop/Start

 

[Ricksc]

Best factory delete on my 22.

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