Battery jumper in fireproof bag…

[ragu2]

I’m buying an Noco GB40 battery jumper and wondering if those with similar battery jumpers also put them in a fire proof/explosion proof bag while inside your truck/car for safety?
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[JTL89]

Never really thought about that. I've had one of the Halo ones for several years and just use the cheap pouch it came with. If it gives you peace of mind, why not? Certainly can't hurt anything

 

[ragu2]

Reason I’m asking is I spoke with someone at Batteries Plus about a battery jumper and he suggested to look into a fireproof bag and they don’t sell them so he wasn’t up selling me. Their not expensive compared to the damage a fire would cost.

 

[RcFlyer330]

Most "fire proof" lithium bags (comming from the radio controlled world) are just a vinyl bag with a layer of fiberglass cloth. While that bag may help contain a fire your truck is still going to be damaged just maybe not burnt to the ground.

Now I have a jump start battery (microstart brand) and I leave it in the vehicle most of the time hot or cold. If its going to be really hot then I try and take it in with me as a precaution but some times it not possible. similar if its cold but for a different reason. Lithium batteries don't like being cold their power output is reduced so keeping the battery warm makes sure if i need it it's ready to go at full power.

 

[Kodiak]

You should look into a LFP (Lithium Iron Phosphate) jumper if you are concerned about Lithium Ion catching fire. I was too so I got one of these.

Buy Reliable LOKITHOR LiFePO4 Jump Starters – Safety & Durability

LFP (LiFePO4) is extremely stable and can take the heat in a vehicle. They do not catch fire like an ion battery. The battery also lasts much longer. The downside is that it may be heavier or larger than an ion battery jumper.

It looks like they changed the design a little but mine has a nice case for it too.

 

[ReverendQ]

You should look into a LFP (Lithium Iron Phosphate) jumper if you are concerned about Lithium Ion catching fire. I was too so I got one of these.

Buy Reliable LOKITHOR LiFePO4 Jump Starters – Safety & Durability

LFP (LiFePO4) is extremely stable and can take the heat in a vehicle. They do not catch fire like an ion battery. The battery also lasts much longer. The downside is that it may be heavier or larger than an ion battery jumper.

It looks like they changed the design a little but mine has a nice case for it too.

Indeed, great advice. In fact, I change my Aux battery to LiFePo too.

 

[rr11]

I never thought of that issue. I have the NOCO GB50 stored in the plastic storage box that NOCO sells. I don't really know if most containment bags would really help. Lithium fires are really intense and hard to extinguish.

 

[digitaltrucker]

My guess is all of the new airlines regulating these batteries is causing this idea.

 

[ak49rzrs]

I just keep my NOCO GB50 in the bag that it came with and the cables unplugged from it. Spends it's life in the back seat under storage of my trucks, or the storage box of my Rzr when riding. Most all things I've seen as far as Lithium ion batteries is they're fine unless you blatantly go about damaging them.

 

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Most "fire proof" lithium bags (comming from the radio controlled world) are just a vinyl bag with a layer of fiberglass cloth. While that bag may help contain a fire your truck is still going to be damaged just maybe not burnt to the ground.

Now I have a jump start battery (microstart brand) and I leave it in the vehicle most of the time hot or cold. If its going to be really hot then I try and take it in with me as a precaution but some times it not possible. similar if its cold but for a different reason. Lithium batteries don't like being cold their power output is reduced so keeping the battery warm makes sure if i need it it's ready to go at full power.

This. Unless your standing over the thing on fire in a bag or not with a 100 lbs of sand, its going to damage something. And the sand would only protect whats above it, potentially, not below.

I store my batterys typically in a old army ammo case. Not sealed tight either. The idea is to contain some of it, and try to limit the damage. They are also in a liposack within that case. But rest assured there will be damage if something happens. Also you don't want airtight, because essentially you will create an explosion. No one wants that.

It is always an interesting experience when one of these goes up in front of you. 6 foot high 2k degree flames...but they seem to burn out pretty quick, the ones ive personally seen anyway. But its big and hot enough for long enough to start a fire.

That said, I've never worried about them too much. Keep away from extreme temps, over charging, over use, and be aware of what it is and how it should function and your typically ok.

 

[Munch]

Having had a thermal runway on my 48V lithium golf cart battery, I learned a lot after the incident.

I do not think I would worry about a thermal run away if the "jumper" is not plugged in and charging.

A fire proof bag will help contain a lithium fed fire, but it will not extinguish a lithium fire. Eventually, the lithium will burn through the material.

I never go off and leave a lithium battery charging. And I always charge outside, away fro
m anything flammable. That is what saved my house from catching fire.

Best to my knowledge, ALL lithium battery cells are made in China. What sets the batteries apart is the Battery Management System (BMS) firmware used by manufacturers and those who assemble the cells into end-user batteries. My battery that had a thermal runaway was a complete product from China. I now only use lithium batteries with BMS software written by US companies who assemble their batteries here.

 

[ragu2]

Thanks to all for their replies and knowledge on these types of battery jumpers.
Proper care in handling, using and storing these battery jumpers must not be overlooked or not taken seriously.

 

[BlueCT]

I know this isn’t what you asked but you should definitely look at the jump pack I posted below. I had a NOCO and when it was less than 3 years old it wouldn’t even jump a v6. I did a bunch of research and found a great YouTube
Video comparing jump packs. This was highly rated. I bought it and love it. Even a few years later it has jump V8 engines with absolutely no problem.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B58KBG9J?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_dt_b_asin_title

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