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When you say "full load", what kind of load do they place on the engine to simulate a fully loaded truck? I'm not trying to be contentious, I want to learn.

If this is the best advice, why do they instruct a break-in in the manual?
Full load, in this context, is the rated torque output of the engine at it's rated speed. Rated speed being the advertised speed where the advertised power rating is defined. These are not what most people would consider "normal" operating speeds and loads. It's shockingly difficult to actually achieve full power utilization on a vehicle for extended periods of time. For instance, take a inline 6 cylinder diesel engine rated for say, 350hp at 2800rpm. I'm going to bring it to 2800rpm and full load on the base fueling curve and then adjust to produce 350hp. Every engine is slightly different, so they all get a slight bump up or down to achieve the advertised power. Once that's done, it's out the door for the next one on the line.

As for why the manual instructs a break-in period? The only answer I have is that the people writing the manuals are pretty far removed from the people designing the engines, and a break-in period isn't really going to hurt anything. Well, that is until you get the rare engine with it's tolerance stack up near the limits and it doesn't seat it's rings in a reasonable amount of time given it's load profile...

It's a debated topic, even within engineering circles, and there's a lot of what I would call "entrenched opinions" on the topic on both sides of the fence. A break-in period is absolutely a thing, parts have to wear into each other when they're brand new. The actual method of break-in however is the debate. I know what I do and recommend, and although I have torn down quite a few complete engines, what I've seen and what I will personally own will only represent a small number of new engines in my lifetime.

Putting 800lbs into the bed of a new truck? I wouldn't think twice about it from a load perspective. Even from a gearing perspective, it's still not that much additional load relative to what the truck is designed for.
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Where can I find information on a break in period?
I'm not seeing it in the owners manual.
What page is it on?
 

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Understood @krugford , thanks for explaining. I'll still go with the manual as I did with my 5.0, because spinning the engine up to max at the factory is good for the reasons you provide. They can't however, put the kind of opposing forces on the rest of the driveline that will exist on the road, unless they dyno each vehicle for many hours.

I can't see any harm in following the manual; the break-in isn't actually "babying" the truck, if it's done patiently and properly. It was hell varying speed and not loading heavy for 1,600 kms as all I do is country driving. Break-in would happen properly and automatically with normal driving in metro areas.

Maybe they're not just considering the engine in the manual ?
 

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I wonder how many fleet and work vehicles now have over 100,000 miles and more and never received any "break-in" time. I did follow the manual for break-in, but if my truck was used purely for business that required towing, it would be towing from day one.
 

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Break-in isn’t just about the engine. It’s about the transmission, it’s about the rear end gears. Is it really worth not properly breaking in a new truck?
 

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Loading four fast food eating humans in the truck is equivalent to 1200 pounds. Hell, some put a topper on theirs from the jump.

Are you planning to pick up some cement at home depot for a single run or are you planning to keep 800lbs in the truck bed for hundreds of miles.

Having a load in the bed is different from towing.

Either way, just SEND IT.
 

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Loading four fast food eating humans in the truck is equivalent to 1200 pounds. Hell, some put a topper on theirs from the jump.

Are you planning to pick up some cement at home depot for a single run or are you planning to keep 800lbs in the truck bed for hundreds of miles.

Having a load in the bed is different from towing.

Either way, just SEND IT.
That’s a very good point……..o_O
 

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From the '23 manual:
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Page 473 under "Driving Hints" ?‍♂

That guarantees nearly every F-150 on road is not going to be following that.

By the description it does seem more targeted at being nice to the transmission that is still learning how to shift.

Four large adults and you are already at 800 lb driving around. Instead of one trip 800 lb they could make 4 trips with 200 lb and wouldn't feel it. Or just don't worry about it and get it done.
 
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Full load, in this context, is the rated torque output of the engine at it's rated speed. Rated speed being the advertised speed where the advertised power rating is defined. These are not what most people would consider "normal" operating speeds and loads. It's shockingly difficult to actually achieve full power utilization on a vehicle for extended periods of time. For instance, take a inline 6 cylinder diesel engine rated for say, 350hp at 2800rpm. I'm going to bring it to 2800rpm and full load on the base fueling curve and then adjust to produce 350hp. Every engine is slightly different, so they all get a slight bump up or down to achieve the advertised power. Once that's done, it's out the door for the next one on the line.

As for why the manual instructs a break-in period? The only answer I have is that the people writing the manuals are pretty far removed from the people designing the engines, and a break-in period isn't really going to hurt anything. Well, that is until you get the rare engine with it's tolerance stack up near the limits and it doesn't seat it's rings in a reasonable amount of time given it's load profile...

It's a debated topic, even within engineering circles, and there's a lot of what I would call "entrenched opinions" on the topic on both sides of the fence. A break-in period is absolutely a thing, parts have to wear into each other when they're brand new. The actual method of break-in however is the debate. I know what I do and recommend, and although I have torn down quite a few complete engines, what I've seen and what I will personally own will only represent a small number of new engines in my lifetime.

Putting 800lbs into the bed of a new truck? I wouldn't think twice about it from a load perspective. Even from a gearing perspective, it's still not that much additional load relative to what the truck is designed for.
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I wonder how many fleet and work vehicles now have over 100,000 miles and more and never received any "break-in" time. I did follow the manual for break-in, but if my truck was used purely for business that required towing, it would be towing from day one.
I’m sure a lot
 
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Loading four fast food eating humans in the truck is equivalent to 1200 pounds. Hell, some put a topper on theirs from the jump.

Are you planning to pick up some cement at home depot for a single run or are you planning to keep 800lbs in the truck bed for hundreds of miles.

Having a load in the bed is different from towing.

Either way, just SEND IT.
Yea one way trip, 4 miles from Home Depot back home.
 
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Page 473 under "Driving Hints" ?‍♂

That guarantees nearly every F-150 on road is not going to be following that.

By the description it does seem more targeted at being nice to the transmission that is still learning how to shift.

Four large adults and you are already at 800 lb driving around. Instead of one trip 800 lb they could make 4 trips with 200 lb and wouldn't feel it. Or just don't worry about it and get it done.
Yea you guys do make good points on stating it’s like carrying around 4 large adults ?? , thanks for the advice .
 
 







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