2024 RCSB build

[v8440]

Well it's a $5k, 265 lb penalty. If you live in a snowy area and/or plan to put a whipple on it, 4wd makes sense.

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[JCsTruck]

Good point on the weight!
For me some of the cons are as follows:

1. $312.50 more in sales tax.
2. $125 more in excise tax in the first year and $25 per 1k thereafter.
3. Probably a good increase on insurance rate.
4. 1 to 2 mpg Gas mileage hit 365 days a year.
5. Increased maintenance costs and tire wear.

 

[v8440]

All good points except I'm not sure about tire wear, why would that be any different? Assuming you wouldn't ride around all the time in 4wd on dry pavement, of course...

 

[JCsTruck]

Tire wear because of increased weight and when you do use the 4wd it wears the front tires faster. If the 4wd system is not one of those automatic four-wheel-drive/all-wheel-drive type systems then it’s probably less relevant. There is no way I can put a number on that. It’s sort of like trying to predict brake pad wear, where it varies wildly depending on the user.

 

[MGF150]

I don't think the gas milage will be that much different, who knows, it depends how you drive.
I will say, I have read the Ford and Whipple warranty. If your truck is 4WD, they will not warranty the drive train. That means no transmission or rear end coverage for anything once it is installed.
If I had read that first, I sure would not have bought a 4WD.

 

[JCsTruck]

I don't think the gas milage will be that much different, who knows, it depends how you drive.
I will say, I have read the Ford and Whipple warranty. If your truck is 4WD, they will not warranty the drive train. That means no transmission or rear end coverage for anything once it is installed.
If I had read that first, I sure would not have bought a 4WD.

That’s good to know and thank you for sharing that. I don’t plan to spend $10,000 on a Whipple supercharger, however it is still good information to have. Most vehicles when you look and compare 4WD with 2WD, or AWD with FWD, you will see a 1 or 2 mpg EPA rated difference especially on the highway mileage.
I’ve also driven a few 4WD vs 2WD vehicles back to back and noticed a difference in NVH and drive train liveliness in normal part throttle situations. I drove a 2WD and 4WD Tundra back to back, and not long ago a AWD CX5 compared to a FWD CX5 and especially with the Mazda, it was very noticeable.

 

[Marcsrx]

Why are you buying a pickup truck if you're concerned about MPG? Likewise if you want to go fast and only use 2 wheels to propel you seems a pickup truck is not your best choice. You can get a sports car even in a coupe that can seat more people than a RCSB, be more comfortable, faster/handle better, for a similar price...

The whole point for RCSB is largely the Coyote that loves forced induction, and 4x4. Because otherwise you're just going to roast rear tires which defeats the purpose to increase HP.

 

[v8440]

I have read the Ford and Whipple warranty. If your truck is 4WD, they will not warranty the drive train. That means no transmission or rear end coverage for anything once it is installed.
If I had read that first, I sure would not have bought a 4WD.

This is probably going to be one of those times you're glad someone disagrees with you. What you said is not correct. Their warranty says it won't cover certain things on AWD, NOT 4wd. There is a technical difference. Planning at the time to get a '24 XL 4wd and have a whipple put on it, I read the warranty like you did and thought the same thing. I actually called Whipple and asked them directly on exactly that point. They confirmed that yes, a 4wd xl would in fact be covered. Reading between the lines, they apparently make the (minor) distinction between awd and 4wd, and it works to your benefit in this case. Don't take my word for it, call them yourself and ask.

 

[v8440]

In fact, I also submitted the question through their site. I initially received no response after some days, so I called them. After I reached them by phone, I found that their response to me vie email had been marked as spam by my work email system. Here's what I asked and their response via email:
Me: "
I have a couple of questions about the whipple powertrain warranty.
Assuming I get a stage 1 kit on a 2024 f150 installed by a dealer, am I
understanding correctly that the warranty will provide no transmission
coverage if the vehicle is 4wd? Your site says that's the case if the
vehicle is all wheel drive, but there's actually a technical difference
between 4wd and awd, and I didn't know whether you guys made that
distinction. My other question is, if I bought a used 2023 f150 with
1500 miles on it from a dealer and had them install the whipple kit on
that vehicle, would the whipple powertrain warranty start when I get the
truck or when the truck was originally sold to the first purchaser?"

Whipple:
"4WD trucks would be included, the wording is a little odd, but your truck would be covered.

3 years or 36,000 miles (60,000 km) from the vehicle’s original in-service date as determined by Ford OASIS (On-Line Service Information System) report."

 

[MGF150]

This is probably going to be one of those times you're glad someone disagrees with you. What you said is not correct. Their warranty says it won't cover certain things on AWD, NOT 4wd. There is a technical difference. Planning at the time to get a '24 XL 4wd and have a whipple put on it, I read the warranty like you did and thought the same thing. I actually called Whipple and asked them directly on exactly that point. They confirmed that yes, a 4wd xl would in fact be covered. Reading between the lines, they apparently make the (minor) distinction between awd and 4wd, and it works to your benefit in this case. Don't take my word for it, call them yourself and ask.

That is good news and I appreciate the info. My only concern anyway was if it pukes the transmission or the motor. I will repair anything else.

 

[v8440]

Same here. I was really put off by what I thought their warranty policy was at first. I was pretty sure I wouldn't be covered, and I almost didn't bother to ask. I'm glad I did, and I hope it helps you decide on whether to put a blower on your truck. They really ought to revise their wording and clarify that point, as it seems likely that a lot of people could mistakenly think a 4wd wasn't covered when it would be.

 

[JCsTruck]

Why are you buying a pickup truck if you're concerned about MPG? Likewise if you want to go fast and only use 2 wheels to propel you seems a pickup truck is not your best choice. You can get a sports car even in a coupe that can seat more people than a RCSB, be more comfortable, faster/handle better, for a similar price...

The whole point for RCSB is largely the Coyote that loves forced induction, and 4x4. Because otherwise you're just going to roast rear tires which defeats the purpose to increase HP.

You are making some valid points and I am considering a Mustang GT 5.0 also because I love comfortable powerful RWD vehicles. I am however a pickup truck guy and although I understand that no pickup truck will ever be a sports car, I do think that a RCSB pickup truck with the 5.0 can be a great vehicle for my needs and check off some performance aspects/boxes too. Its basically like a modern take on an old school muscle car with a bed. ? I am personally not overly concerned about a 1 or 2 mpg difference (especially if Nov 5th goes as I hope) but it is still something of minor consideration long term as I tend to keep my vehicles as long as 10 years. I drive 15k miles per year easily. I personally do not need to carry more than two passengers so I don't need another four seat vehicle because I already have one. The Mustang, like most sports cars has a back seat that looks to be kind of useless but maybe good for small people, IDK. Most 2-door sports cars are designed for the driver enjoyment only and everything else is a compromise.

The RCSB 5.0 has 400 HP stock and with some minor modifications can achieve a 12-second quarter mile time easily. if Ford still didn’t offer the 5.0 L V8 then I might not consider this truck. I currently drive a 2014 RCLB F-150 XL 2WD and like the way it drives despite the fact that I am well aware it will never be a sports car, or achieve better mileage than most passenger vehicles. I actually use my bed for a lot of things so I value that aspect of it and if it has robust acceleration and handles as good as my 2014 does now then I would be happy. My wife wants the Mustang though so we’ll see. I need to finish the insane private school tuitions I pay before I pull the trigger on another $40k vehicle, especially with all the high taxes and insurance that comes with it in that state.

 

[v8440]

Oh, I see you're in one of those tax-happy states. Yeah, I understand the financial constraint aspect of it. This may not apply to you, but part of the allure of the ford is that the body is aluminum and so should corrode far slower from the salted roads we have in winter. I also want 4wd for the snow, as well as making it much easier to hook up on a hard launch with a whipple. The 2wd's can be made to hook well, there's at least one guy here doing it, but it takes much more work and requires a better/cleaner surface to work vs 4wd.

 

[JCsTruck]

Oh, I see you're in one of those tax-happy states. Yeah, I understand the financial constraint aspect of it. This may not apply to you, but part of the allure of the ford is that the body is aluminum and so should corrode far slower from the salted roads we have in winter. I also want 4wd for the snow, as well as making it much easier to hook up on a hard launch with a whipple. The 2wd's can be made to hook well, there's at least one guy here doing it, but it takes much more work and requires a better/cleaner surface to work vs 4wd.

The cost of living here is brutal now. My insurance company wanted to increase my rate 42% this year (from $4,200 to $9,900) so I had to switch carriers and drop collision on my daughters 2010 corolla which isnt worth much anyway and that saved nearly $1,000. I have a 2022 Kia Telluride, a 2014 mazda CX5, and that 2010 Corolla + homeowners insurance. Just insane! When I moved into my house 15 years ago the property taxes were $3,000 and now they are $6,600 and they are going up again. The public schools here are so bad that I have to pay over 30k per year to send two kids to private schools, but thankfully thats almost done.

Just so you are aware North Dakota has a ballot question that if approved will eliminate their property tax. I hope it passes and sets the tone for other states to follow. Massachusetts of course would never follow but it has to start somewhere.

Getting back on topic, I agree that the aluminum bed and body panels is a good thing. I think Ford saved between 300 and 700 lbs of weight from the previous generation depending on model configuration which is massive. Aluminum still corrodes though especially under salty conditions but I’m not sure how it compares. The truck frame and other structural components are still steel and are susceptible to salt damage so I have my vehicles treated at Mass Mobile Undercoating every couple years and sprayed with NH Oil which works extremely well at preventing and or stopping the rust. I just had my Mazda done today. They did my truck last month. $250 for the Mazda and $350 for the truck.

I wouldn’t do this on a new truck or vehicle, but maybe at the five year mark and on I would. Five years or newer vehicles I think you’re better off just getting a subscription to a car wash for $30 a month and running it through the car wash as many times as you can.

 

[v8440]

Those taxes and insurance are absolutely bonkers. Tempts me to make a political statement...

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