Looking for most longevity/reliability f150 build?

[roadPilot]

curious to hear your take on the above?

Sure ...

The verdict is still out as far as 2021+ 5.0’s go.

No it's not. The Coyote is a rock solid engine, has been built for nearly 15 years, and is likely one of their best motors when it comes to longevity. Somebody clearly hit the crack pipe before making that statement ... even on the 21+ motors.

They added cylinder deactivation

Completely different than GM's failed attempt. The vast majority of Coyote owners don't even know their engine has it has it unless you tell them, and even when you do, they can't tell when it activates.

and an oil pump belt in the 5.0 so time will tell how it holds up.

Yes, a Kevlar belt. You know, the same stuff that (bullet resistant) body armor is made from. Zero issues and NONE that I've heard about myself. Not even one.

Anyone who claims 'the verdict is out' on the Coyote is simply flapping their gums.

That’s why I decided to go with the 3.5 EB.

The more parts something has, the more potential points of failure it has. This is a fact. I had issues with my 2012 3.5EB F150. That's why I went back to the V8 in 2015 and 2021. Not saying the current EB is problematic, either.

Just don’t exceed 5k miles for oil changes for any of the engines.

Total BS. Again, changing your oil when it's life is at 50% does nothing except empty your wallet faster than it needs to be emptied. Having your used oil analyzed to determine what's going on inside your engine based on your driving habits, your environment, and the motor itself is how you determine the best change interval for your truck.

Whatever you end up getting, also get an extended warranty for sure.

For sure? No. If you need it to feel better or to sleep better at night, then go ahead - it's your money and your decision. There is no right or wrong, per se. I've purchased over a dozen (14?) brand new Ford/Lincoln/Mercury vehicles since 2006. I've only purchased an ESP on one of them (a 2017 F350 Powerstroke), and never made a claim on it (received a pro-rated refund when I got rid of it). Other people ended up with lemons that they kept beyond the factory warranty and were glad that they did. The purchase of an extended warranty is up to you. Personally, I've had good luck with my vehicles AND I can afford to pay for a large repair (engine, transmission, etc.) without having to sacrifice and not put food on the table.

For the record, the user who posted all that nonsense doesn't even OWN an F150, not do I think he ever has owned one. His earliest posts had him trying to decide between buying an F150 or a Toyota Tundra.

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[Samson16]

Is there any reason the 3.73 ratio is better?

Yes! Can’t buy a Powerboost without getting the 3.73 elocker. ?

They perform so well without sacrificing mileage by the anecdotal evidence here.

 

[Deleted member 11970]

Sure ...

No it's not. The Coyote is a rock solid engine, has been built for nearly 15 years, and is likely one of their best motors when it comes to longevity. Somebody clearly hit the crack pipe before making that statement ... even on the 21+ motors.

Completely different than GM's failed attempt. The vast majority of Coyote owners don't even know their engine has it has it unless you tell them, and even when you do, they can't tell when it activates.

Yes, a Kevlar belt. You know, the same stuff that (bullet resistant) body armor is made from. Zero issues and NONE that I've heard about myself. Not even one.

Anyone who claims 'the verdict is out' on the Coyote is simply flapping their gums.

The more parts something has, the more potential points of failure it has. This is a fact. I had issues with my 2012 3.5EB F150. That's why I went back to the V8 in 2015 and 2021. Not saying the current EB is problematic, either.

Total BS. Again, changing your oil when it's life is at 50% does nothing except empty your wallet faster than it needs to be emptied. Having your used oil analyzed to determine what's going on inside your engine based on your driving habits, your environment, and the motor itself is how you determine the best change interval for your truck.

For sure? No. If you need it to feel better or to sleep better at night, then go ahead - it's your money and your decision. There is no right or wrong, per se. I've purchased over a dozen (14?) brand new Ford/Lincoln/Mercury vehicles since 2006. I've only purchased an ESP on one of them (a 2017 F350 Powerstroke), and never made a claim on it (received a pro-rated refund when I got rid of it). Other people ended up with lemons that they kept beyond the factory warranty and were glad that they did. The purchase of an extended warranty is up to you. Personally, I've had good luck with my vehicles AND I can afford to pay for a large repair (engine, transmission, etc.) without having to sacrifice and not put food on the table.

For the record, the user who posted all that nonsense doesn't even OWN an F150, not do I think he ever has owned one. His earliest posts had him trying to decide between buying an F150 or a Toyota Tundra.

All that nonsense? Seems to me you’re getting a little defensive and acting all butt hurt because they made the 5.0 more complicated in 2021 and it’s not any more reliable than the 3.5 EB. Almost everyone knows to change the oil every 5k miles for turbo charged engines to keep the oil as clean as possible when it’s flowing to the turbos. And the updated 5.0 with the wet belt and cylinder deactivation has only been out for 4 years on the F150 so yes we will see how the wet belt will hold up over time. I would definitely change the oil every 5k to help make that kevlar infused rubber belt last as long as it possibly could. At the end of the day oil is cheap, a new engine is not. You’re not really wasting money. Every mechanic I’ve heard says the same exact thing about oil changes every 5k. Also, the 5.0 is NOT a simple engine as many people say it is. And I’m actually pretty neutral dude, I currently own a 2022 Tacoma but need something bigger for my growing family and I’m trying to see what would hold up the longest at the end of the day.

 

[buzzylite]

Oh come on... You just don't get it...

curious to gear your opinion about the video above?

 

[JCsTruck]

218,000 miles on a 2014 XL RCLB 3.7 NA v6. Oil changed when oil life monitor reads around 30 or 40% left and all maintenance done per Ford manufacturer recommendations. Things that didn’t last were the front suspension like the front spring that broke and the shocks that wore out (normal wear item) and the rear axle bearings that wore out and required a full axle rebuild with new gears. Other than these issues, the truck has been very good actually. Because I live in the northeast salt is an issue and causes lots of rust, so I treat the truck with NH Oil every two years after the initial 6 year mark. The truck has also had water leaks and electrical issues from time to time. I also had a front wheel bearing exploded on me on the highway at about the 150 thousand mile mark, which was not fun. I discovered that cheaper aftermarket wheel bearings do not last nearly as long as the original Ford ones did.

The best most reliable truck I had was a 2001 Toyota tundra that went 205,000 miles and never needed anything but oil changes. I got rid of that truck because the frame started to rot out which is the reason I never got another one. Toyota was great at making engines and transmissions, and all the parts in between however they sucked at making the frame.

 

[Gros Ventre]

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curious to gear your opinion about the video above?

went thru part of it... I'll watch the whole thing in detail & post an answer.

 

[roadPilot]

All that nonsense? Seems to me you’re getting a little defensive and acting all butt hurt because ...

If that's what you call it when someone points out BS, then that's your opinion.

Almost everyone knows to change the oil every 5k miles for turbo charged engines to keep the oil as clean as possible when it’s flowing to the turbos.

Those who know how engines work and the many jobs of motor oil know that analyzing the spent oil is a far better method of determining proper oil change intervals versus using random number of miles.

You’re not really wasting money. Every mechanic I’ve heard says the same exact thing about oil changes every 5k

If you are drinking beer and you throw away every can when it is down to half full, you are wasting money. Same goes for motor oil.

Also, the 5.0 is NOT a simple engine as many people say it is.

When comparing two similar things, something with MORE components has more potential points of failure than something that has fewer components. It's called "math".

And I’m actually pretty neutral dude, I currently own a 2022 Tacoma but need something bigger for my growing family and I’m trying to see what would hold up the longest at the end of the day.

Oh, I don't fault you for that. You're doing due diligence. What I genrally don't advise is taking advice about a heart condition from a dentist. You have zero experience with either engine, so you don't even have anecdotal evidence, let alone empirical evidence, as to which engine lasts longer or is more prone to failure. All you have is hearsay from "every mechanic" you've met or what you've read online posted by people you don't even know.

But other than all that ... ?

 

[ks54703]

Drove service vans from 1976. 1rst a 76 Chevy 350, 1990 Chevy 305, 1995 E350 5.4 until the last one 2006 Chevy 3500 6.0 all well into 200k miles never lost an engine or transmission did lose on differential in the 1976 covered under warranty.

Never had a oil annalist done on any of these vehicles even through one of my work duties was changing oil on EM Gen Sets and sending in oil samples for the customers.

Normal service with lubricants and filters the dealer or our local mechanic recommended.

Right now driving possibly my last new vehicle a 22 XLT 302a 2.7EB payload package 5.5'bed S Crew.

This vehicle is going in when needed and getting the recommended service when needed just like the service vehicles did.

Have had 1 transmission failure on a 1977 Plymouth Sport Fury in 1978 covered by warranty. Lost a head gasket on the spouses 2011 V6 Rav 4 in 2018 also covered by warranty. That's it folks.

Go drive and enjoy your vehicles and stop OVERTHINKING everything life is to darn short.

 

[Jmitchelltfo]

I've never paid for an oil analysis, but I have definitely considered it for my my PB. Not only for the oil, but I'm actually more interested in sampling the transmission fluid after doing my first drain and fill a couple weeks ago. The ULV was grey with a hint of red/pink to it and I was thankful that I could feel an improvement in the shudder with no noticeable hard thunks on the downshift into 3rd gear.

Fluid, filters and basic maintenance will go a long way towards making sure most of these pickups last a long time. I'm glad I paid for the extended warranty though.

 

[National Superbike]

You guys with PB trucks need to get special catch cans for the wet electrons that can cause carbon build up on the terminals. Also send those electrons in for analysis and make sure they aren't degrading the motor. Can't be too careful these days!

 

[farmerbyron]

Had a 2019 Expedition with the 3.5. That vehicle alone burned me on the 3.5. My first new truck was an 04 F150 with the 5.4. Loved the truck but that 5.4 was a turd. Cam phaser tick and spark plug hell.

So when I bought my wife the 19 Expedition, I thought the 3.5 had been out for a decade so surely the bugs were worked out. Wrong. All kind of error codes at random, transmission limp mode and hard shifts, none of it replicable at the dealer of course. Then at 40k miles the effing cam phasers went out! Like seriously ford, figure the cam phasers out.

So that was the last straw and between the mechanical troubles and the fact my wife can’t drive a big vehicle without hitting stuff, I put her in a 2023 Bronco with the 2.7. 30k miles in and that engine has been flawless. But I hate that car because it is tiny.

Which led me to order a 25 F150 Lariat with the 5.0 and 3.73 gears. I wouldn’t own another 3.5. Too many sensors to go haywire and known issues with that motor. This truck may be a POS but we will see. I also have in the back of my mind that I could whipple it. I’m having to get rid of my 16 Challenger Scat Pack that I love to get the truck and if I want to regain some fun factor at least I have that option with the 5.0.

IDK if that’s answers anything but my vote for longevity is a 5.0 with whatever gear ratio suits your needs.

 

[Aonarch]

5.0l all day. I'm shocked that we have to defend a V8 in a truck these days!

I went 3.73s because I knew I'd immediately put on 35s, and shorter gears are better for larger tires, to keep in the power band after the increased tire diameter.

 

[MTMan]

It would be cool to see those high mile gen14s post up about their configuration and experiences.

I've had 3 extended warranties over the years. Factory ones on a GM and Toyota. Got my monies worth out of both. 3rd was an aftermarket on a used Mercedes. Total scam. Always had an excuse to not cover what they claimed they did. If you buy one, stick with the factory extended plans.

 

[roadPilot]

It would be cool to see those high mile gen14s post up about their configuration and experiences.

Not super high miles but just a few hundred from 70K miles on my 2021 Job 1 F150 Platinum SuperCrew 6.5' with the 5.0L and 3.31 non-locker. I tow one of my SXS ~1200 miles RT from MI to TN multiple times a year. Virtually issue free truck.

 

[MTMan]

Off topic, but what kind of MPGs do you get? These trucks are so powerful with any drivetrain it seems like you wouldn't notice much difference between the gear ratio options compared to an old 4 cylinder with big tires and a gear change.

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