So you decided to buy an ICE truck.... WHY?

[UNIKRN150]

I'm interested in hearing from people who were considering a "Lightning" and decided to go with a Gasoline Burning engine powered truck instead...

And I'm sure THIS GUY would be too if he weren't a "to be avoided at ALL COSTS" POS troll... (FYI)

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[Ajzride]

I do roughly 20,000 miles per year on the interstate, I'm not turning my 10 hour road trips into 14-16 hour road trips to charge up 3-4 times. We do have a Mach E for our second car, and it is great because we charge it up every night and never go more than 200 miles in a day in that one. If you can charge every night and never need to go more than 200 miles then an EV is great. But given how poorly the charging network in America is (I did have to road trip the Mach E home from where we bought it), a single charge can be between 35-90 minutes. At interstate speeds EVs only get 180-220 miles per charge, so you are stopping every 3-4 hours for 35-90 minutes.

Start towing or hauling heavy loads and those ranges can get by 75%.

 

[PPK]

i weighed it heavily. given that i have access to 30 MW of solar most of the year at my dad's house. i still went against it. when we get to lifepo4 batteries that have 2-8000 cycles i will put up with the inconvenience. Maybe you get 800 cycles out of current f150 batteries... there so many cells involved i just feel we need a much higher cycle capacity for long trouble free operation. Also.. electricity itself is not a cheap fuel. the oklahoma gas and electric is pushing 20 cents a kilowatt hour. summer peak if you charged at that time can be 45 cents. the EV would cost more i suppose than an ICE.

Now if gas goes to four bucks a gallon i will modiy my position. but where are now.. EV is hard to justify.. unless you just a tree hugger. which i am not.

 

[fordtruckman2003]

Lot of people are reconsidering full EV across brands for ICE options. Ford cut staff on Lightning production.
Hybrid is the way to go, Toyota knew that over 20 years ago. I expect more hybrid options from all brands in the next few years. EV have their place and use for commuter vehicles but are not realistic option for most of country.

 

[jfried]

Few reasons:

1. I'm not so good with making habits, and would likely not bother to plug in when I get home, leaving me potentially in trouble the next morning.

2. I live in a cold climate, I don't want to go outside in the winter at 10pm because I just remembered the truck isn't plugged in.

3. I frequently have to do a 160km / 100 mile each way commute, without charging infrastructure on the other end. I was nervous that with winter weather and winter tires, the lightning would be cutting it close if if i had to make any sort of detour along the way. The last thing I want to do is stretch that 2 hour drive longer because I needed to find charging infrastructure.

4. I can do roughly 1000km on a tank in the summer with a little bit of city driving mixed in there... having to stop for 10 minutes to fuel up once every 2 weeks or so is really not inconvenient. I get slight amusement when a honda civic or other small vehicle pulls up at the pump after me, and is done before, but at least I know it'll be a while before I have to do it again.

5. Doing #4 once every two weeks or so >>>> remembering to plug in all the time.

 

[Jean Deaux]

"So you decided to buy an ICE truck.... WHY?"

Common sense?

 

[Walter Townsend]

First, I only have one vehicle, so it has to be functional for all my needs.

Second, I spend a lot of time towing trailers, and even though an EV truck like the Lightning has decent range as soon as you hook up a trailer to it, the range is absolutely crap. I could not even tow a trailer around the Kootenay Loop without having to stop and recharge.

Third, Cold climate in the winter and that reduces the range of the EV even further.

Fourth, I tried the Hybrid, left me stranded too many times and I did not trust it. It cost me a lot to get out of that truck and back into a ICE 5.0 truck as Ford refused to help, left it all on the dealer, even though the F150 Powerboost I had was only six months old, it had spent over two months of that time in the service shop. The trade in value of the truck had plummeted, way more than the standard new truck depreciation. Hindsight, looks like they did finally get a fix for the PowerBoost SSN problem but I needed a reliable truck and Ford could not give me an assurance the powerboost would ever be reliable. Only reason I'm still driving a Ford is that none of the other brands would take a broken truck on trade in.

Fifth, still do trust the battery technology and the cost of replacement batteries. The mandates being forced on us by governments to go to EV vehicles is very much premature as the vehicles are not ready. The buyer becomes the BETA tester, and pays the auto companies for the "privilege" of doing so.

 

[HammaMan]

Because there's nothing that can replace an ICE truck today and only a single vehicle publicly announced that could even begin to compete with them, and that competitive edge is derived from the fact that it's got an ICE onboard.

Here's the issue with a BEV truck - range sucks, charging time sucks, and the number of places to charge sucks, and of the places that have chargers, their uptime sucks -- and if it's broke out-right, you're probably stranded. (see vid below, spoiler it didn't get but 92 miles out of a fully charged battery, and to just get back to 80% of its charge took 45 minutes)

I follow several tesla fanbois and their responses are hilarious (to how bad the overall performance of the CT is). As soon as I find someone with a CT around these parts, I'm going to try and do a collab vid of sorts where the CT starts out towing my truck until it dies, then we'll put the CT on the trailer and see how far I can drag it while charging it.

 

[Samson16]

30 MW

?
Do you mean 30kW perhaps?
200 Amp service panel is 48kW.

 

[PPK]

?
Do you mean 30kW perhaps?
200 Amp service panel is 48kW.

Thank you.. a terrible exaggeration On my part.. there are 57200 watts from 130 panels.. as if you can produce more than half at any given time..

 

[notabot]

I finally did the research into all the climate change talk and found out it's really just a ruse to get people to turn over power and control to megalomaniacs and narcissists.

 

[TexasTruck]

Third, Cold climate in the winter and that reduces the range of the EV even further.

Sorry to distract.... couldn't resist... my mother in-law sent this yesterday...

 

[Fox146]

Make the Powerboost a plug in hybrid with some decent range and it would be about perfect. I could drive around town on electric and then hit the highway without a worry on range or lack of infrastructure, or cold weather

 

[Antimatter22]

Ford screwed up the reservation process so I ditched the idea of the Lightning. There were people who reserved after me getting to order trucks way before me. By the time I was able to order it was over a year after the first orders went out. By that time I believe there were several price increases.

If I wanted to go EV I'd need 350-400 in order to buy one comfortably. 95% of the time 300 would be more than enough for my use case but there are times I drive 100 miles one way for a day trip, so 200 total. That could be pushing it in the winter and no way I could deviate from that drive without trying to charge in BFE.

I get free charging at work so operating cost would be minimal because I could probably get away with only charging at work.

 

[Samson16]

I like @Snakebitten ‘s plan. Powerboost for trips and truck things, and a golf cart…err…Leaf for around town.

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