OpenPilot on the F-150 (BlueCruise alternative)

[Ajzride]

It definitely looks like a good option when the BC trial period ends. I watched a couple videos and among features mentioned above, this also supports the blinker lane change that comes with BC 1.2.

The device has a camera to monitor the driver's face. I wish it would be able to instead use the IR cameras that may already be in the F150s so we wouldn't have to mount a device on the windshield. The comma device is relatively large, but I suspect new versions to shrink in the future.

This is addressed in the Comma FAQ. The reason for using stand-alone cameras instead of the built in cameras on the vehicle is that every manufacturer has different communication busses for the cameras, and it would require a unique comma device for every manufacturer, and possibly multiple per manufacturer if the busses evolved over model years. This would drastically increase the cost of the comma device. Additionally the cameras transmit too much data for can bus, so the comma would have to tap into the camera feeds seperately from the other connections, making installation much more difficult.

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[HammaMan]

It definitely looks like a good option when the BC trial period ends. I watched a couple videos and among features mentioned above, this also supports the blinker lane change that comes with BC 1.2.

The device has a camera to monitor the driver's face. I wish it would be able to instead use the IR cameras that may already be in the F150s so we wouldn't have to mount a device on the windshield. The comma device is relatively large, but I suspect new versions to shrink in the future.

There's no face monitoring going on while this is in use, vehicle side or otherwise. It uses the cameras as part of its situational awareness, looking at vehicles next to and behind the vehicle. As for tapping into the vehicle cameras, you'd have to physically intercept the camera's signal and interpret it and they don't all go to the same spot.

 

[rpold150]

This is addressed in the Comma FAQ.

Thanks. I missed that on the website.

 

[rpold150]

There's no face monitoring going on while this is in use, vehicle side or otherwise. It uses the cameras as part of its situational awareness, looking at vehicles next to and behind the vehicle.

I thought I saw that there was an internal camera. That's for looking behind the vehicle?

 

[hitchhiker]

There's no face monitoring going on while this is in use, vehicle side or otherwise. It uses the cameras as part of its situational awareness, looking at vehicles next to and behind the vehicle.

OpenPilot supports driver monitoring, and the comma devices do include a cabin camera for this purpose.

https://github.com/commaai/openpilot/blob/master/README.md#what-is-openpilot

 

[RickBullotta]

In all seriousness, if you choose to do this, make sure you have an umbrella liability policy in place "just in case". You're taking on a great deal of liability.

 

[tcp]

All this talk got me excited, found my Comma Two unit went to update it but found out that it's no longer supported. It seems that support for devices is only a year or so after release. Originally installed on a 2019 Honda Accord. Worked great at the time. Was way better than BC even before BC came out.

My Comma Two device is stuck at version 0.8.13. Wish the newer vehicle support can be added to older versions. But it seems even if I get the updated hardness and panda that goes along with it, I'd still need to run a later release for it to work on the 14th gen F150.

I thought about getting the new 3X unit but then it's another $1500 investment. But don't let that discourage anyone its a great product. I'd probably revisit it in another year or so.

 

[hitchhiker]

In all seriousness, if you choose to do this, make sure you have an umbrella liability policy in place "just in case". You're taking on a great deal of liability.

We get it. There have been a couple such posts already. Everyone is free to post but I did request that we keep this thread on the topic of OpenPilot itself and specifically its functionality with our trucks.

The intent was not a forum for lectures or debates of this sort. A discussion on these topics will quickly dominate the thread and drown out the information that was the intent.

 

[RickBullotta]

We get it. There have been a couple such posts already. Everyone is free to post but I did request that we keep this thread on the topic of OpenPilot itself and specifically its functionality with our trucks.

The intent was not a forum for lectures or debates of this sort. A discussion on these topics will quickly dominate the thread and drown out the information that was the intent.

Fair enough. I’m a tech geek too. Not too many folks understand the downsides though. It’s great to see open source initiatives that can be applied to all kinds of autonomous use cases - air, land and sea (and pipes and sewers for that matter). ROS ain’t it. Maybe this could be.

 

[hitchhiker]

Fair enough. I’m a tech geek too. Not too many folks understand the downsides though. It’s great to see open source initiatives that can be applied to all kinds of autonomous use cases - air, land and sea (and pipes and sewers for that matter). ROS ain’t it. Maybe this could be.

Fair enough. We should come up with a good summary that both communicates the risk and lets people know that we understand the risk, and then I'll put that in the OP. I'll look for something suitable on Comma sites.

 

[tcp]

Fair enough. We should come up with a good summary that both communicates the risk and lets people know that we understand the risk, and then I'll put that in the OP. I'll look for something suitable on Comma sites.

I don't see the point. If anyone is smart enough to be able to read and understand what's going on and how to do it. They are reasonable enough to understand the risks. Can't catch all the dummies....

 

[Spiffy]

Exactly. If we had focused only on the dangers of aviation and not advancing I would have never became a stunt pilot. Any yes I can buy like insurance.

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[Spiffy]

I need some clarification. With the f150 I think I understand that the ipma is involved. Is this current system utilizing any of the factory cameras, sensors. Radars? Or us it stand alone with only connections to steering , break and throttle?

 

[tcp]

I need some clarification. With the f150 I think I understand that the ipma is involved. Is this current system utilizing any of the factory cameras, sensors. Radars? Or us it stand alone with only connections to steering , break and throttle?

From my experience with the comma two and my 19 Honda accord it will utilize all factory sensors. The harness plugs into the camera/sensors above the front mirror. It’ll use its built in camera to monitor driver and road to engage or disengage.

 

[hitchhiker]

I don't see the point. If anyone is smart enough to be able to read and understand what's going on and how to do it. They are reasonable enough to understand the risks. Can't catch all the dummies....

The point is just to make it clear to those curious that they bear the risk, and to make it clear to those who wish to lecture that we understand that and that's not the point of the thread.

That said - let's get back on subject!

While waiting for my Comma 3x I'm also starting to research possible future plans to interface with the on-board cameras. It should be possible to use an LVDS repeater to send the camera signal both to the OEM hardware and additional aftermarket components. The camera connector on the IPMA is different than other LVDS connectors I've seen before.

Anyone know what this type of connector is called?

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