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Unfortunately we are.... And on a COOP to boot.... ERCOT is down to 6.8Mw reserve..... On the slide...
we are in a coop, but get our power from henderson plant that is nat gas fired
we never lost power during the ice age a few years back either
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Don't know much about those social media sites, but the Mustang Mach-E has garnered a pretty good ownership crowd. At least a good percentage of owners seem to love their cars.

For a first ever EV from an ICE manufacturing juggernaut, it's a pretty dang good effort. And Ford has put some serious focus on the owner feedback and responded with continuous improvements.

It's overpriced, in my opinion, but it definitely has served Ford well in EV manufacturing 101 :)
My thoughts exactly. “Mustang” is just a name, manufacturers drop and pickup names all the time.

If I had the cash, I think I’d be happy in a Mach-E. it’s a good size, not too big, not too small, decent range, and every review I’ve read has been positive.

Like so much social media, a few loud-typing folks do not (or very very rarely) reflect the general consensus.

Back to topic: that price cut still puts the Lightning a bit above other EV’s of comparable range/seating. Granted, none of them have the same payload or towing capacity so if you’re looking for a daily commuter that can do a lot of truck things, I’d go for an XLT SR too. I’d say it meets 95% of what I do on a weekly basis. But we just do too many longer-trips and want to tow long-distance so it’s not the best choice for us right now (and the LR modelsare STILL too expensive).

Regarding price: trucks are the big money makers for manufacturers (which they openly admit) so it’s safe to say all of them are overpriced to a degree.
 

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So my dealer had a Lightning. It was ordered and 2 months before delivery the buyer found out he would not get the IRS tax break so he backed out. The dealer sold it to a new buyer that day. Then it showed up and sat on the floor for months due to Ford's monument program. Two weeks after taking actual delivery and 2500 traveling salesman miles the owner was back and traded it in for a Chevy Silverado. Why? EV anxiety, freaking out and constantly watching the charge level. My dealer had it on the trickle charger (has 3 chargers, all trickle) @ 4 miles for an hour charge. He said do not buy this truck as a daily driver. Do not buy unless you are prepared for a lifestyle change. Do not buy to tow anything. Do buy if you like 0-60 in 4.1 seconds and burning rubber. Sorry, not for me. He now has 4 E-Mustangs. All cost more than an F150 King Ranch. He can't sell them.
 

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EV anxiety, freaking out and constantly watching the charge level. My dealer had it on the trickle charger (has 3 chargers, all trickle) @ 4 miles for an hour charge. He said do not buy this truck as a daily driver. Do not buy unless you are prepared for a lifestyle change. Do not buy to tow anything.
I’m surprised any traveling salesman would consider an EV, especially an F150 (as it’s not the best kwh/mi efficiency…). A Bolt EV or Tesla 3 maybe.

It does not sound like the dealer is very helpful or clued in on EV’s. Trickle chargers? Yea, they are WICKED slow. 240v is a necessity. EVs are absolutely suited tor daily driving (I mean, what else would you use it for?) especially if charging at night. “Trucks Talk plus SUV” channel on YT talks about the change in thinking for EV’s, it was pretty interesting.
 

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The model S has the same body as it did when it was first released in 2012. The infatuation with Tesla allows them to still sell a vehicle today that looks just like it did 11 years ago. No way Ford could get away with that.
Don't be fooled by the unchanging looks. Tesla's vertical integration methods are producing radically different vehicles today than when originally launched. They don't have job 1 / job 2 manufacturing. They randomly change up the line incorporating updates / upgrades just as quickly as they can. Still today, there's 1 motor for all vehicles. That's not to say there hasn't been a handful of motors used throughout totality of production.

That said I still don't care for the catfish cars. Great tech, amazing evolution of the underlying car, but they still haven't produced something I'm interested in, nor do they have anything planned that I'm interested in. What I do appreciate is their ability to make the rest of the industry look like the cluster that they truly are.

As for the so called 'trickle chargers' -- that's not even a thing unless plugging into a 120v outlet. Anyone doing that deserves their 1kW charging rate. I use a 40a EVSE on the mach-e and it charges at 10%/hr. The onboard voltage converter can handle over 10kW worth of charging which is more than enough to achieve 250 miles of range nightly (9hrs of charging), or the full range of the vehicle with my driving. I charge maybe once a week. If you're able to get special EV charging rates, and you're driving ~80-200 miles a day, you'd be a fool to not have an EV in the house. I pay 3.4 cents per 3 miles of range which translates to 277 miles per gallon of gas price equivalent at $3.15/gal.

I beat on the car hard too. If I had a V8 driving like this, I'd maybe get 10 MPG. The EV doesn't care. I zip around silently.
 
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I'd pick up a pro model around $35k or so w/ PPOB optioned. That'd make for a great home - battery solar storage solution and new beater vehicle. I wouldn't bother with a lariat and above with the large screen. Sync can't power it for shit.
 

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The price jockeying reminds me of jewellery stores. They're constantly have sales @ 50% off or a local grocery chain that seems to always be lowering prices on thousands of items.

Admittedly, I do not nor have I ever owned a Tesla. Same goes for a certain type of cell phone. Like another member mentioned, I just don't understand the infatuation with either and the premium they want.

Despite the ICE segment of Ford being the most profitable, I too believe they're putting all their eggs in one basket. Mr. Farley reminds me of a prior Ford CEO who went on a buying spree and acquired Jaguar and some other brands. Shortly thereafter they axed him, , sold those brands, the EcoBoost was born and Ford selling vehicles again.

I'm all for an EV and would really like to buy one, but with all the power outages our friends other states are experiencing, I'm not willing to buy one and park it because my neighbors need the power to run their A/C.?‍♂
 
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A Powerboost V8 is overdue! 50% of my engine hours are from idling to keep the AC on in the desert heat. Same with every single work truck in the Southwest.
5.0 hybrid has been developed and patented, whether we see it executed on any vehicles remains to be seen.

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5.0 hybrid has been developed and patented, whether we see it executed on any vehicles remains to be seen.

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Interesting.

I can see hybrids replacing the EcoBoost hybrid lineup. I'm not an engineer, but wouldn't matting a naturally aspirated engine with an electric one create a more reliable hybrid? This comes from someone who currently owns two 3.5 EcoBoosts that have been very reliable.
 

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5.0 hybrid has been developed and patented, whether we see it executed on any vehicles remains to be seen.

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I would have pulled the trigger on this if it was an option when I purchased my truck. As others have stated, I feel that manufacturers need to expand hybrid technology in thier lineups prior to transitioning to full electric.
 

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Interesting.

I can see hybrids replacing the EcoBoost hybrid lineup. I'm not an engineer, but wouldn't matting a naturally aspirated engine with an electric one create a more reliable hybrid? This comes from someone who currently owns two 3.5 EcoBoosts that have been very reliable.
Not sure, Ford has had this in their pocket and so far has just sat on it. I think it would be an effective package. They may be waiting to see what GM’s new 6th gen small block brings, rumor has it the 6.2L will be available as a PHEV. Ford may play this card at that time.
 
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The price jockeying reminds me of jewellery stores. They're constantly have sales @ 50% off or a local grocery chain that seems to always be lowering prices on thousands of items.

Admittedly, I do not nor have I ever owned a Tesla. Same goes for a certain type of cell phone. Like another member mentioned, I just don't understand the infatuation with either and the premium they want.

Despite the ICE segment of Ford being the most profitable, I too believe they're putting all their eggs in one basket. Mr. Farley reminds me of a prior Ford CEO who went on a buying spree and acquired Jaguar and some other brands. Shortly thereafter they axed him, , sold those brands, the EcoBoost was born and Ford selling vehicles again.

I'm all for an EV and would really like to buy one, but with all the power outages our friends other states are experiencing, I'm not willing to buy one and park it because my neighbors need the power to run their A/C.?‍♂
If Ford stock was low then Farley would be gone already. His mismanagement of suppliers when it comes to quality and quantity is the worst of any manufacturer.

My wife’s car is an EV (non Tesla) and all the talking points against EVs are irrelevant. Having one that you can use to backup your house with when the power is down is awesome, and can keep you going for days just running essentials, including AC depending on your setup. The EV as the backup will run longer than most backup generators that people have that will run thru a tank of gas in a day. I am a fan of having one vehicle in the house be an EV, especially if it is a daily driver that gets a lot of miles, it’s cheaper to drive overall. I am not ready for an EV only house, not a truck since they are not there for mileage when towing. Maybe one day.

I also believe that the hybrids are the current sweet spot and would like to see more done here, but due to politics and laws it seems that all manufacturers are focusing solely on EVs. I think options and choices are good, but dont like that it feels like we are being forced down the EV path, ready or not.
 

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I think options and choices are good, but dont like that it feels like we are being forced down the EV path, ready or not.
Unfortunately we will never be ready if we don't actually go down the path. For sure governments, laws, and politics are encouraging EVs, but actually not enough to smooth things out. We would need something akin to the Federal Aid Highway Act to install numerous fast charging stations all over the place. I think it's the fear of not being able to charge every 20-30 miles that is holding people back.
 

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Unfortunately we will never be ready if we don't actually go down the path. For sure governments, laws, and politics are encouraging EVs, but actually not enough to smooth things out. We would need something akin to the Federal Aid Highway Act to install numerous fast charging stations all over the place. I think it's the fear of not being able to charge every 20-30 miles that is holding people back.
Tesla built out their network w/ out any g00berment cheese. On the other hand, read into how EA came about, and just how poor their shit is. It's pathetic. As much as I'd like to credit the recent wave of adopting tesla's charging port because it's just a better product, it took the likes of EA to actually force companies to adopt tesla's port. Again, not because it's a better design, which it is, but because their customers need access to charging infrastructure that works.

Tesla's business smarts is leaps ahead of the competition. They're building cars and the 'gas' stations. Gas stations right now operate on the margin -- like ~5% or so. Tesla is burying batteries to buy up 3 cent power to turn around and sell it for 30 cents. Because their stations work, now everyone will be using them and tesla rolls in the $.

This vid here is an example of how bad charging is. You'll see them connect the cable, tap a card, and it works. Now if you haven't experienced EV charging you'll think it's unremarkable because of course it should be that easy... (post the uneventful charge start, jump to 13 min mark and see how frequent users are just amazed at what you'd expect from modern tech. The fact that they're just mind blown that you can connect up, tap a card, and you're charging should say it all)


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