Wow, highway mpg!

[amschind]

As a PB owner, I would GLADLY trade the extra power for the extra mileage. The Ranger hybrid with the 2.3L I4 is extremely tempting pending the real world MPG numbers.

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[Samson16]

As a PB owner, I would GLADLY trade the extra power for the extra mileage. The Ranger hybrid with the 2.3L I4 is extremely tempting pending the real world MPG numbers.

Morning Adam, I'm curious as to why you purchased the PB in the first place then?

The modified Ford Escape Hybrid that temps you has almost nothing in common with the F150 PowerBoost except they are both made by Ford Motor Company and both can transport you and 4 passengers from point A to point B.

It sounds as if you weren't aware of the EPA numbers or that the F150 is a half ton truck and not an economy car?

We've had too many interesting conversations for that to be true so it leaves me a bit confused.

The Maverick Hybrid has a 2.5L I4, a 1.1kW battery, and a FWD CVT. 44 city/ 33 hwy.

The Prius Hybrid has a 2.0L I4, Li-ion battery, and a FWD CVT. 57 city/ 56 hwy.

Prius by 13 miles. Isn't even close.

But neither of them are trucks...

You said Ranger Hybrid...should have had my diet coke first lol

 

[Samson16]

2023 Ranger®
LARIAT

Loaded up Screw 4x4 with tow gets worse mpg than my PB and for a bonus you get Sync 3!

It costs 15k less but you're getting 20k less truck in the bargain so...

PB for the win!

I know...we need a super bloated Aviator version Ranger for 90k so the KR guys can giggle too


8000lb Ranger hybrid payload comes in at (drumroll) minus 200lbs! That's right folks all you can do is look at the window sticker! You can't actually get in it without going over!

 

[amschind]

Morning Adam, I'm curious as to why you purchased the PB in the first place then?

The modified Ford Escape Hybrid that temps you has almost nothing in common with the F150 PowerBoost except they are both made by Ford Motor Company and both can transport you and 4 passengers from point A to point B.

It sounds as if you weren't aware of the EPA numbers or that the F150 is a half ton truck and not an economy car?

We've had too many interesting conversations for that to be true so it leaves me a bit confused.

The Maverick Hybrid has a 2.5L I4, a 1.1kW battery, and a FWD CVT. 44 city/ 33 hwy.

The Prius Hybrid has a 2.0L I4, Li-ion battery, and a FWD CVT. 57 city/ 56 hwy.

Prius by 13 miles. Isn't even close.

But neither of them are trucks...

You said Ranger Hybrid...should have had my diet coke first lol

The Ranger Hybrid isn't out yet, so all of this is based upon conjecture which may not prove true.....BUT the reports are that it will be a 2.3L I4 Ecoboost paired with the motor and 10R80 from the PB.

Ranger Hybrid Conjecture

The important numbers are the power and torque, which are no different from the 3.5L Ecoboost (360 HP and 500 lb-ft). If the non-hybrid 3.5L can max out the F150s towing even with the HDPP, then I'd be happy to do do it with a smaller motor and pay less for gas. The other issue is that because the 4 banger is lighter, you get some payload back for free. That in turn means that the practical towing capacity actually rises.

 

[Samson16]

The Ranger Hybrid isn't out yet, so all of this is based upon conjecture which may not prove true.....BUT the reports are that it will be a 2.3L I4 Ecoboost paired with the motor and 10R80 from the PB.

Ranger Hybrid Conjecture

The important numbers are the power and torque, which are no different from the 3.5L Ecoboost (360 HP and 500 lb-ft). If the non-hybrid 3.5L can max out the F150s towing even with the HDPP, then I'd be happy to do do it with a smaller motor and pay less for gas. The other issue is that because the 4 banger is lighter, you get some payload back for free. That in turn means that the practical towing capacity actually rises.

I think the Bronco might lead the way. Jeep has a PHEV Wrangler that misses the mark except on the stat sheet which is the danger imo and what makes the PB so special. With the success of the Maverick, the Ranger has to beat the Tacoma. No easy task for sure. Just ask the Tundra folks who have to compete with the F-150.

The Ranger might be a better mid-size truck than the Tacoma but no one thinks it is and that's the challenge. The Ford Ranger has fleet vehicle written all over it, and you might find the PHEV model you're looking for that way.

 

[amschind]

I think the Bronco might lead the way. Jeep has a PHEV Wrangler that misses the mark except on the stat sheet which is the danger imo and what makes the PB so special. With the success of the Maverick, the Ranger has to beat the Tacoma. No easy task for sure. Just ask the Tundra folks who have to compete with the F-150.

The Ranger might be a better mid-size truck than the Tacoma but no one thinks it is and that's the challenge. The Ford Ranger has fleet vehicle written all over it, and you might find the PHEV model you're looking for that way.

The issue with PHEVs, and the reason that I like the PB so much, is that the battery in a PHEV is much too big. Like a big sport fisher, the value is tied up in the marine diesels/battery. Once that piece goes, the rest is a white elephant. The PB battery is available on eBay for $1k: very few if any PBs are going to be totaled when the battery dies. The Aviator Hybrid, for all of its great points, has a 15 kWh battery that will total a >10 year old vehicle. My guess is that the Ranger hybrid will get the 1kWh PB battery, but who knows?

My dream F150 would've been a 3.0L Powerstroke coupled with the 100hp Aviator motor, a 10R80, a 2-3 kWh battery and an HDPP frame/suspension. As compression ignition gasoline becomes the norm, Diesel cycle gasoline engines are my prefernce. An old friend who broke down and sold diesel parts for 40 years said "do not drive a diesel unless you are making money from it; the maintenance is too high to justify the benefits otherwise. That's why I say I'd prefer the 2.3L Ecoboost: you aren't fighting regen cycles and the DPF.

 

[WhiteLightningnshitshadow]

Yeah I think we're getting off topic, but a simple rwd ICE with the 2.7 and some electric motors to aid through the front axels would be ideal. I really like the idea of having a small 3kwh battery to leverage the hybrid assist more. I don't like the idea of ever shutting off the ice engine though, so the electric should be more of an assist than anything else to help keep out of boost and provide the 4wd capability. Maybe ice deactivation should be a setting in the infotainment to allow users to shut off the engine at stops and at low speed.

 

[Samson16]

Yeah I think we're getting off topic, but a simple rwd ICE with the 2.7 and some electric motors to aid through the front axels would be ideal. I really like the idea of having a small 3kwh battery to leverage the hybrid assist more. I don't like the idea of ever shutting off the ice engine though, so the electric should be more of an assist than anything else to help keep out of boost and provide the 4wd capability. Maybe ice deactivation should be a setting in the infotainment to allow users to shut off the engine at stops and at low speed.

Threading that needle. Interesting indeed. The PB has a way of getting our minds spinning!

 

[ts3x]

When I ordered my truck, I wasn't sure if the 2.7 was the right decision, but now that I have it I don't regret it for 1 second. For back & forth to work 5 miles each way, max speed limit of 35 with several lights and roundabouts, I'm averaging 20-22 mpg, maybe 1 or 2 worse in winter - can't complain about that! Prior V8's that I've had were 14-16 in the same trip. But when I pull my camper, I have the 400 ft lb available at low RPM, plus the 10 speed - makes it the best two vehicle I've ever had! As for highway miles, as others have mentioned, it's all about not using the turbo. On highways with 55 mph speed limits, no trouble at all getting near 30 mpg. 65 mph limits will drop that to around 26, and going 75, which needs a little turbo now and then, drops it to 24 or so. Also, on a trip going 70 mph into a strong headwind, the turbo was a little busier, and my mpg's dropped to 17-18, a bigger drop than the 2-3 mpg gain I got going home with a tailwind. But all in all, couldn't be happier - also like the idea of a CGI block vs Al.

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