Things i would like to see in 2024+ F-150

[CorytheTrucker]

Also tow mirrors need to come with the Max Tow package again. It bothers me that I have Max Tow on mine but just normal mirrors and have them optional with all other trims and packages

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[Samson16]

A minimum of 150hp/300tq should be the floor for such a configuration, and shouldn't be hard given the diameter possible in such a package.

Keeping the 3.5 and increasing the traction motor to 150hp/300tq will require other drivetrain upgrades imo. The 10R80s 800nm = 590 ft.lbs. and the PB is at 570 currently. Super Duty drivetrain strength adds more weight which needs more brakes and suspension and round and round we go...

 

[HammaMan]

Keeping the 3.5 and increasing the traction motor to 150hp/300tq will require other drivetrain upgrades imo. The 10R80s 800nm = 590 ft.lbs. and the PB is at 570 currently. Super Duty drivetrain strength adds more weight which needs more brakes and suspension and round and round we go...

Not exactly, the aftermarket has already solved the shortcomings of the 10r80 and it's just a matter of adopting them. When the 10r80 was built by GM and ford, it was designed to meet certain parameters, which are being exceeded today. EU has a PHEV explorer with 825nm torque using the same trans.

So I went hunting for info on the 10r100 that's in the 6.8L F250s (same weight as 10r80). Seems it shares parts with the PB's transmission as well as parts for the raptor R. There's a new designation I'm seeing that could be hinting at something. There's the 10r80 MHT, and now a "10r80MHT X" showing up in mentions in trans parts fitting each other.

The raptor R has a stronger torque converter and a spot where a 3 planetary is upgraded to a 4 planetary arrangement. The gears aren't the weak point, its the clutches. The R has 'new software' that makes it the fastest shifting 10 speed besting even the camaro ZL1. Clutches and pressures expand the trans's capabilities and the raptor's air/oil cooling solution fixes temps with ease. Between trans upgrades allowing up to 730ftlbs and the torque management capabilities with electrified systems, it should be an easy target to achieve.

 

[Samson16]

Not exactly, the aftermarket has already solved the shortcomings of the 10r80 and it's just a matter of adopting them. When the 10r80 was built by GM and ford, it was designed to meet certain parameters, which are being exceeded today. EU has a PHEV explorer with 825nm torque using the same trans.

So I went hunting for info on the 10r100 that's in the 6.8L F250s (same weight as 10r80). Seems it shares parts with the PB's transmission as well as parts for the raptor R. There's a new designation I'm seeing that could be hinting at something. There's the 10r80 MHT, and now a "10r80MHT X" showing up in mentions in trans parts fitting each other.

The raptor R has a stronger torque converter and a spot where a 3 planetary is upgraded to a 4 planetary arrangement. The gears aren't the weak point, its the clutches. The R has 'new software' that makes it the fastest shifting 10 speed besting even the camaro ZL1. Clutches and pressures expand the trans's capabilities and the raptor's air/oil cooling solution fixes temps with ease. Between trans upgrades allowing up to 730ftlbs and the torque management capabilities with electrified systems, it should be an easy target to achieve.

Great research and a hybrid version of the R 10R80 sounds amazing. How does the price tag not reach thermal runaway?

 

[HammaMan]

Great research and a hybrid version of the R 10R80 sounds amazing. How does the price tag not reach thermal runaway?

Well for one there's a $7500 tax credit that'd instantly apply so long as the price is below $80k. Sucks to be ford that the halo trims like platinum and raptor need not apply and would take a hit instantly increasing the cost $7500 if the sticker price exceeds 80k. It's a fair price point.

I know the F series is their money printer, but new players are entering the market and they're going to have to get with the times. There's going to be a rather interesting looking demand curve all but requiring truck costs to not exceed the $80k mark. They'll have to consolidate options, in-house parts, and come back to reality on pricing. Though I'm not a fan of CT's looks / options, they've now got a solid competitor that's going to begin taking statistically relevant chunks of the market just as fast as it can. Anyone in the market for an XLT / Lariat lightning has a new competitor that bests in at least a dozen ways including ~$1k worth of parts needed to provide power backup to a home of 11kW. For the lightning to do the same runs about $8k installed. It's also got a 50a 240v ac socket that can output 9.6kW like the powerboost does.

 

[Twg1]

- USB taps in the bed, alongside 120v outlets
- Touch sensitive handles on rear doors
- Fix floppy console lid
- Design upfitter package: Aux switches, 12v/30A taps under hood and in bed, Factory air compressor with tap in bed
- Replace console shifter with dash buttons. Return shifter pocket to a stash-hole or extra cupholders
- Tie downs in cabin behind forward seats (to compliment those at base of bench seat)
- Make use of underside of rear bench while folded up: fold out shelves, compartments, Molle, etc. (My bench lives 90% life stowed)
- on powerboosts create a pushbutton that forces max charge and/or forces elec-only
- on powerboosts, allow EV coach to be an overlay on any screen, instead of a dedicated screen selection. (Theres already room to do this)

 

[wayfarer556]

trying not to duplicate, but I would love to see:

• PHEV option
• PowerBoost, reduce the tank size to 18 and increase the battery
• allow the PB battery to go to 10% and up to 70%
• Leave the running boards down when vehicle is off
• add usb port by rearview mirror
• leveraging the wiper sensor, roll the windows up if there is rain
• give option to roll up, crack or down windows from Ford Pass
• ability to turn on bed lights from cab
• Dog Mode

You would would want to cut the tank size by more than 1/3 for a bigger battery? 18 gallons is the gas tank my Hyundai Sonata had lol. Absolutely not, the range of the PB is one of the upsides not the downsides. You could make the battery 10x bigger and you would not get nearly as much range if you did that, especially on the highway where electric mode hardly matters. This thing has the aerodynamics of a billboard. I mean look at the real world numbers of the lightening.

They can almost certainly put in a battery that's 2x the capacity for minimal fuss but it would probably be more expensive. That would be plenty for this platform.

Everything else is fine, although the 10% - 70% thing is probably never going to happen because Ford has to, by federal law, guarantee these batteries for 8 years and 100k miles. I don't know this for sure but the restrictions in place are almost definitely related to battery longevity.

I can see Ford implemting something that competes with the new Ramcharger platform (Phev but the engine is only a generator, and the entire powertrain is electric). I guess we'll see how popular the Ramcharger is, and if it eats into the PB sales.

 

[Old Hat]

More choices for the best looking and performing F-150 platform, and the only one I'd ever buy... the regular cab. For '24 it is only available in XL, with one engine choice, one color interior (over produced, boring slate of course) with 2 way manual seats and no carpeting. Also one cheap looking all black grille, with no chrome bits. It's sad how limited the choices are on these. Work trucks or huge 4 doors for everyone now.

 

[Samson16]

- USB taps in the bed, alongside 120v outlets
- Touch sensitive handles on rear doors
- Fix floppy console lid
- Design upfitter package: Aux switches, 12v/30A taps under hood and in bed, Factory air compressor with tap in bed
- Replace console shifter with dash buttons. Return shifter pocket to a stash-hole or extra cupholders
- Tie downs in cabin behind forward seats (to compliment those at base of bench seat)
- Make use of underside of rear bench while folded up: fold out shelves, compartments, Molle, etc. (My bench lives 90% life stowed)
- on powerboosts create a pushbutton that forces max charge and/or forces elec-only
- on powerboosts, allow EV coach to be an overlay on any screen, instead of a dedicated screen selection. (Theres already room to do this)

I don’t disagree with any of those ideas especially touch sensitive rear doors! I’m often having to grab a front door so a rear door will open. If the key fob is in my possession open up already!

 

[JExpedition07]

More choices for the best looking and performing F-150 platform, and the only one I'd ever buy... the regular cab. For '24 it is only available in XL, with one engine choice, one color interior (over produced, boring slate of course) with 2 way manual seats and no carpeting. Also one cheap looking all black grille, with no chrome bits. It's sad how limited the choices are on these. Work trucks or huge 4 doors for everyone now.

Short bed super crews really have taken over and it’s the rage. With streamlining being the next rage that setup is what gets a lot of attention. Poor family vehicle choice compared to a Burb or and Expy so I don’t quite get it. But alas, here we are.

 

[WestlakeHorn]

We own both a PowerBoost (Platinum) and a Raptor. No doubt the PowerBoost would beat the Raptor in a drag race, but the Raptor is unanimously the more fun and engaging truck to drive in my household — wife, 19 yo son and myself all agree on that point.

 

[Blue22]

A few off the top of my head:

-Redesign the BMS
-Revise the OTA update process
-Auto-lock when walking away
-Console shifter option on all trims
-Center jump seat option on all trims
-Bed light automatically turns on when tailgate opens (or an option to enable/disable)
-Enhanced FordPass App options (climate controls, windows,)
-Keep drive modes/settings at start up
-Off road option on all trims (bigger tires, real skid plates, upfitter switches)
-More physical buttons/less touch buttons
-Double honk delete
-Button on the top of the tailgate to close it
-Eliminate cylinder deactivation or a way to enable/disable

 

[JExpedition07]

A few off the top of my head:

-Redesign the BMS
-Revise the OTA update process
-Auto-lock when walking away
-Console shifter option on all trims
-Center jump seat option on all trims
-Bed light automatically turns on when tailgate opens (or an option to enable/disable)
-Enhanced FordPass App options (climate controls, windows,)
-Keep drive modes/settings at start up
-Off road option on all trims (bigger tires, real skid plates, upfitter switches)
-More physical buttons/less touch buttons
-Double honk delete
-Button on the top of the tailgate to close it
-Eliminate cylinder deactivation or a way to enable/disable

Love the button on the tailgate for closing it. Great idea. Also would love the hvac controls in Ford pass.

Sport and Tow/Haul drive modes both disable the cylinder deactivation and keep it firing on all 8 cylinders. I think that’s actually the best any OEM offers, I don’t believe Honda or GM shut it off under any circumstance. In order to keep the V8 in the lineup this was a necessary addition.

Figures show the 5.0 historically makes up 25% of F-150 sales. Take 25% of 700,000 trucks and that’s 200,000 engines. Thats 10X the Mustang version sold, so the F-150 version has a lot more bearing on the corporate average. With the 2024 model structure the 5.0 is going to increase to more like 35% of overall sales now that it’s required for the tow package on lower trims (can’t get 2.7 with tow pack anymore), and the V8 is the standard Lariat & Tremor engine. With the upcoming model 5.0 making up the most market share it has in over a decade, I doubt you’ll see C/D go away. This engine has a huge effect on the F-150’s average. If they keep it beyond the 2027 model year I 100% guarantee the it will be a hybrid V8. Ford recently came out and debunked the FordAuthority article that claimed 2028 is the last year for it and said they will make the 5.0 “As long as consumer demand remains” so that means evolving to meet stricter requirements.

There is a reason the 5.0 is not on the chopping block like the Hemi and current LT architecture. That reason is that Ford is constantly refining their V8 and updating instead of letting it go stale like the competitors. When you go stale that’s when you fall out of compliance. Unfortunate reality, but on the bright side more complete combustion = more power. Not a bad thing for us.

 

[charlesdf22]

You would would want to cut the tank size by more than 1/3 for a bigger battery? 18 gallons is the gas tank my Hyundai Sonata had lol. Absolutely not, the range of the PB is one of the upsides not the downsides. You could make the battery 10x bigger and you would not get nearly as much range if you did that, especially on the highway where electric mode hardly matters. This thing has the aerodynamics of a billboard. I mean look at the real world numbers of the lightening.

They can almost certainly put in a battery that's 2x the capacity for minimal fuss but it would probably be more expensive. That would be plenty for this platform.

Everything else is fine, although the 10% - 70% thing is probably never going to happen because Ford has to, by federal law, guarantee these batteries for 8 years and 100k miles. I don't know this for sure but the restrictions in place are almost definitely related to battery longevity.

I can see Ford implemting something that competes with the new Ramcharger platform (Phev but the engine is only a generator, and the entire powertrain is electric). I guess we'll see how popular the Ramcharger is, and if it eats into the PB sales.

While I do enjoy the occasional range of 600 miles per tank, according to the guess-ometer, I personally would be ok with more usable battery with a slightly smaller tank. I picked on the 18 gallon tank, as that’s what the ranger has.

 

[gagliano7]

Rear bumper step. My GMC had that and it was a lot easier getting into the bed.

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