Rear Sag towing fix?

[Graygoose2021]

Air bags are jimmy rigging it.

Welcome to your opinion. Stay off mine.

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[Mtnman1]

Welcome to your opinion. Stay off mine.

Lol. Then dont post on social media.

 

[Graygoose2021]

Lol. Then dont post on social media.

Social media is for sharing ideas, slamming someone for theirs is immature. This seems to fit here.

 

[Mtnman1]

Social media is for sharing ideas, slamming someone for theirs is immature. This seems to fit here.

Seriously? Slamming someone? I stated an opinion. Did not mention anyone. Exactly as you did.

Get over yourself.

 

[Polo08816]

I run air bags on mine, but I am also pulling a lot more weight than you. Levels out and rides good. Had the timbren on my old truck and it beat me to death, sorry

I would argue that the best solution is probably to retrofit the Heavy Duty Payload Package leaf springs into your truck. Trucks with the Heavy Duty Payload Package usually have an additional 600-800lbs of rear axle weight rating. (Note that installing the HDPP leaf springs will not change your legal RAWR that your truck comes with from the factory.)

The other solutions like RAS and air bags are easier to install, but oftentimes, an OEM solution is a more complete solution. Raising the front by 2-2.5" also doesn't help.

 

[NavyChief]

Seems to leave the truck alone with ride quality unloaded would be to use the wdh. It’s a little more to hook up but when you don’t have the trailer on the truck there is nothing there. Airbags will always have to have air in them so I would think that would change the compression of the suspension from stock and I would think the others would have some effect as well.
I have a B&W Continuum hitch you can try if you live close to me.

 

[medic455]

I would argue that the best solution is probably to retrofit the Heavy Duty Payload Package leaf springs into your truck. Trucks with the Heavy Duty Payload Package usually have an additional 600-800lbs of rear axle weight rating. (Note that installing the HDPP leaf springs will not change your legal RAWR that your truck comes with from the factory.)

The other solutions like RAS and air bags are easier to install, but oftentimes, an OEM solution is a more complete solution. Raising the front by 2-2.5" also doesn't help.

that kind of upgrade isn’t in the cards for as little as I tow, although a good idea there is a lot more to it than just beefing up springs. I have not leveled the truck with front kit either. I will just say, thank you for the input and this works just fine for me for now.

 

[Jeff1024]

23 Platinum ,3.5, Max Tow package 5100 Bilstein upgrade all around with 2.5” strut plevel. Truck rides like a dream when not towing “But” when towing the rear end sags somewhat. About 2-3” with about 2-300# tongue weight. Would like to fix this issue without effecting the ride when I’m not pulling my boat trailer. What are some good real options? Let’s hear from the experts. thx for your time.

Unpopular opinion, but if you are going to tow then maybe look at removing the level. This is our 22 Platinum same max tow package with 400lbs on the tongue. It's barely enough to take the level out of the truck, I think when I measured it drops it about 1.5in and its just sitting on the overload springs.

Makes sense, the hitch is rated for 500lb weight carrying and that amount of weight takes the entire level out of the truck - almost like the Ford Engineers knew what they were doing....at least this time.

I would love to level ours, it looks great, until like you said you do truck things and put weight in the back.

 

[Graygoose2021]

Seriously? Slamming someone? I stated an opinion. Did not mention anyone. Exactly as you did.

Get over yourself.

You selected my opinion to debate, you don't agree with mine, I don't care...make it easier for you now?

 

[amschind]

I had a different experience. The most I have pulled was about 8200#, and I had zero sag with an Equalizer WDH. I use a 14k# Equalizer and a 20' utility trailer that weighs 2400# on its own, but even with my admittedly amateur hour setup skills and a Fox 2.0 kit (adjust to about 1" of rake with just the usual crap in the bed) the rear end didn't sag. I am CERTAIN that I'll get better at setting arm tension and will look back at my current efforts as laughable, but the thing still works pretty darn well.

Gooseneck/5th wheel is the gold standard, and makes life a lot easier for bigger weights. HOWEVER, we're all on the F150 forum because we're pulling lighter weight and using the trucks as cars most of the time (i.e. the entire point of a half ton). A decent WDH is the tool that allows us to safely use our trucks to the (astonishingly high) limit of their abilities, and I think that buying one and learning how to use it pays off in spades. I only have experience with Equalizer, but it works AND it is built of giant pieces of steel and cast iron; it would take some effort to damage one even using an angle grinder and cutting torch. The day will come when I need to pull more than a half ton and Equalizer can do, but I think that the next step is a 1 ton and a gooseneck, which is getting into Class A non-commercial license territory.

I hope that helps.

 

[Tone]

Nothing. Two to three inches rear is acceptable. The truly critical measure is how high the front wheels rise. Too high and the steering gets mushy. And dangerous.

The truck has Max Tow. It's made for this.

 

[Calson]

There is something fundamentally wrong when a truck with a payload rating of 1800 lbs experiences severe rear end sag with a 350 lb load on the hitch (assuming it has a WDH installed as per Ford's recommendation).

My 2022 SuperCrew with the Max Tow package has a door sticker showing a payload capacity of 1770 lbs including passengers. With my last pickup that I frequently took to the CAT scales the load in the bed was carried 20% by the front tires and 80% by the rear tires.

When my 2500 class truck with its 2800 payload rating was used to carry a 3400 lb (dry) in the bed I needed to increase the payload capacity. I replaced the tires and I added SuperSprings at a total cost of $1100. Zero rear sag with a 3700 load in the bed.

I towed a 13,000 lb boat trailer that put a 1950 lb load on the hitch and no sag with this setup.

I did not go with air bags which are a good choice with a 5th wheel trailer to level everything, as a single air bag failing would end a trip. No such problems or concerns with SuperSprings.

 

[FaaWrenchBndr]

Any truck is going to sag with a load on the hitch. It’s just physics. Any mod done to the rear suspension to prevent sag, will indeed affect the unloaded ride quality.

There is always a compromise……there is no free lunch. Even a setup like RAS or Timbren will have an impact. With only an inch or so of free travel, larger bumps and dips WILL cause them to contact. It can be quite a jar.

 

[dirtygovnuh]

I pull a ~5000lb travel trailer with around 600lb on the tongue. I have a 2" level on the truck and with a combination of a WDH and airbags I can keep the truck with a slight rake even when towing.

I went with the Readylift Logiq bags due to their longer travel. With them at their minimum inflation they add about .5" of rear height but the ride feels no different than stock.

 

[dewaynetreff]

Highly recommend Timbren over air bags. air bags change the ride because they are attached. My 19' had air bags. I like the adjustment, but the truck drove a lot rougher. With my 23' Lariat I used Timbren. I was able to set the height so they didn't kick in until I was loaded up. For me my boat is approximately 400 lb of tongue weight. I set it up so if the boat was hooked up then the timbren was being used. Easy installation and a lot less expensive. Towed the boat 1200 miles and absolutely loved the setup.

Does/did is eliminate the rear end bounce on bridges etc? Thats all i'm after, i don't care about the 1nch or two of squat...no level so it looks better hooked to the boat...

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