Pro Power Onboard is back in FordPass 5.22.0!

[Davexxxx]

I get this often because I have a weathertech bed liner that reaches up the sidewall enough to prevent the receptacle cover from closing properly.

Hmmm. Based on your rec I bought the same bed liner but haven't experienced this issue.

Good bed liner BTW. Would definitely buy again.

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[Snakebitten]

Hmmm. Based on your rec I bought the same bed liner but haven't experienced this issue.

So the weathertech liner isn't taller than the bottom of the 120V receptacle covers? (I could trim the liner, I suppose)

I do have my liner on top of a BedRug ??
That would raise the weathertech maybe 1/2"

 

[Snakebitten]

Hmmm. Based on your rec I bought the same bed liner but haven't experienced this issue.

Good bed liner BTW. Would definitely buy again.

First, you might want to put me on ignore? ???

I did have to buy the liner again because the 2021 Powerboost was a shortbed, and then my special order was a 6.5'

The F350 is an 8'

I have every length of weathertech bedliner offered. ?

(The 5.5' is now my ground mat for climbing under....... Well, anything)

 

[Davexxxx]

So the weathertech liner isn't taller than the bottom of the 120V receptacle covers? (I could trim the liner, I suppose)

I do have my liner on top of a BedRug ??
That would raise the weathertech maybe 1/2"

No bed rug under mine. That could make the difference.

 

[powerboatr]

I imagine that since the current FordPass PPOB "object" is the most basic cloud based value harvest report, it can only reflect the last state reported.

So unless the truck is "awake" and thus overwriting the last state/record, FordPass can't reflect a different state?

One more reason why the triangular method of reporting is inferior, in my opinion. (App asks query of cloud. Cloud asks truck. Truck replies to cloud. Cloud informs app)
Where a direct point<>point relationship between vehicle and app (Bluetooth or Wi-Fi) would not only be instantaneous (fresh), but can have a high enough refresh rate to afford "live" reporting, as well as controls. (command/response)

Can you imagine how bad an app like Forscan or OBDLink would perform if it required an intermediary like a cloud?

By the way, on the Powerboost ProPower, even if you unplug a device from the receptacle in the bed, if the plug cover isn't closed, there is a sensor that lets PPOB logic know, and Sync4 will prompt for whether you intend to enable the generator when you start the truck the next time.
I get this often because I have a weathertech bed liner that reaches up the sidewall enough to prevent the receptacle cover from closing properly. So in theory, it will be interesting to see what the truck reports to the cloud regarding the last "state". On or Off? ??

if my bed cover is open ,,,you get a prompt to secure gear and check , i am paraphrasing
its quite large in the IPC
the triangle is in a word......antiquated

 

[MPBFord]

I'm still awaiting delivery of my F-150, so I'm just reading up to prepare.

That's unfortunate if the Fordpass app relies on the cloud for anything. I'll be using mine to tow a trailer into the vast wilderness where cell phone signals dare not tread. I had thought that I could plug my trailer into the PPOB and fire it up remotely when the rest of the campsite is still asleep, relying on a little bit of battery only juice for my breakfast routine, maybe before the engine had to start up. I'm an early riser, so when I'm making breakfast it's still usually quiet hours.

I do have an Ecoflow that I was planning to bring, and that was before I picked the F-150 as my new truck, so I'll probably bring it along anyway. At least that one has local wireless capability so I can power the outlets up remotely from inside. No cloud required.

 

[Davexxxx]

I had thought that I could plug my trailer into the PPOB and fire it up remotely when the rest of the campsite is still asleep, relying on a little bit of battery only juice for my breakfast routine, maybe before the engine had to start up. I'm an early riser, so when I'm making breakfast it's still usually quiet hours.

There are several problems with that set of expectations.

The first, as you're discovering, is that PPOB is, at the moment, monitor only, in the new version of the app.

But even if it weren't, whether the PB starts with ICE, or in electric only mode, is obviously charge state dependent but also temperature dependent.

You can nullify that some, by turning off the climate control but if cold, the engine will want to bring itself to temperature, I think, regardless of climate control settings. There are gadgets that let you monitor states of charge.

In other words, I don't think there is a way to assure the ICE engine won't start, after sitting for some time. Super quiet relative to any other generator but if someone wanted to bitch about quiet hours, you'd probably loose.

 

[JEB]

There are several problems with that set of expectations.

The first, as you're discovering, is that PPOB is, at the moment, monitor only, in the new version of the app.

But even if it weren't, whether the PB starts with ICE, or in electric only mode, is obviously charge state dependent but also temperature dependent.

You can nullify that some, by turning off the climate control but if cold, the engine will want to bring itself to temperature, I think, regardless of climate control settings. There are gadgets that let you monitor states of charge.

In other words, I don't think there is a way to assure the ICE engine won't start, after sitting for some time. Super quiet relative to any other generator but if someone wanted to bitch about quiet hours, you'd probably loose.

There are workarounds for some, but not all of these problems. The primary problem is that PPoB has never fully worked remotely, even early on when there used to be a Bluetooth link to your phone and FordPass. You have to get in the truck and start it with the ignition for the inverter to work. Using the fob or the phone to start the truck remotely won’t work to activate the inverter and never has.

As for running the inverter during quiet hours and avoid starting the ICE, the best way to do this is to wait for the truck to go through its last recharge cycle before you go to bed and shut off the truck immediately after the ICE shuts down. In the morning, you can then restart the truck and turn the inverter on and run it for a little while (depending on load) without the ICE kicking on. I find that using this technique, I can get a pot of coffee brewed and the truck shut back down again without the ICE coming on at all.

 

[MPBFord]

There are workarounds for some, but not all of these problems. The primary problem is that PPoB has never fully worked remotely, even early on when there used to be a Bluetooth link to your phone and FordPass. You have to get in the truck and start it with the ignition for the inverter to work. Using the fob or the phone to start the truck remotely won’t work to activate the inverter and never has.

As for running the inverter during quiet hours and avoid starting the ICE, the best way to do this is to wait for the truck to go through its last recharge cycle before you go to bed and shut off the truck immediately after the ICE shuts down. In the morning, you can then restart the truck and turn the inverter on and run it for a little while (depending on load) without the ICE kicking on. I find that using this technique, I can get a pot of coffee brewed and the truck shut back down again without the ICE coming on at all.

Thanks for all the detailed info. This will (and has) help me figure out my plans for camping. Sounds like I'll be better off sticking with my original plan of bringing along my Ecoflow (a Delta Pro 3) for regular usage, but the cool part is that I shouldn't need to bring along my Honda generator to recharge the Ecoflow, I can just run the PPOB to charge it up (whatever the solar doesn't take care of anyway).

That will make me happy, not having to bring along the gas generator at least. And honestly, the Ecoflow has way more Wh of battery. And when it comes time to charge it up, you can set the charge current to whatever, so you can crank it up to 1500W or so on 120V and still have passthrough power (or I think you can charge at 240V but without power passthrough).

 

[JEB]

Thanks for all the detailed info. This will (and has) help me figure out my plans for camping. Sounds like I'll be better off sticking with my original plan of bringing along my Ecoflow (a Delta Pro 3) for regular usage, but the cool part is that I shouldn't need to bring along my Honda generator to recharge the Ecoflow, I can just run the PPOB to charge it up (whatever the solar doesn't take care of anyway).

That will make me happy, not having to bring along the gas generator at least. And honestly, the Ecoflow has way more Wh of battery. And when it comes time to charge it up, you can set the charge current to whatever, so you can crank it up to 1500W or so on 120V and still have passthrough power (or I think you can charge at 240V but without power passthrough).

I don’t know what your trailer’s power needs are (30A or 50A) service, but if it’s 30A you’ll have plenty of power to both run your trailer systems and recharge your Ecoflow at the same time. The PB is best thought of as two 3600W generators when supplying power at 120V. Each of two circuits on the PB function independently and provide 30A of 120V power. You can plug your trailer into one circuit and get 30A and plug your Ecoflow into the other circuit and get another 30A. You’ll just need a Y-adapter for the 240V generator socket. This one oughta serve you well. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07P4DFX5...4I6QE2Q8&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it

 

[Snakebitten]

Thanks for all the detailed info. This will (and has) help me figure out my plans for camping. Sounds like I'll be better off sticking with my original plan of bringing along my Ecoflow (a Delta Pro 3) for regular usage, but the cool part is that I shouldn't need to bring along my Honda generator to recharge the Ecoflow, I can just run the PPOB to charge it up (whatever the solar doesn't take care of anyway).

That will make me happy, not having to bring along the gas generator at least. And honestly, the Ecoflow has way more Wh of battery. And when it comes time to charge it up, you can set the charge current to whatever, so you can crank it up to 1500W or so on 120V and still have passthrough power (or I think you can charge at 240V but without power passthrough).

"Solar Generator" + ProPower 7.2KW = boondocking options and features that would have been science fiction just a few short years ago. The two portable grids go together like peaches&cream.

Yes, if you need quiet-camp morning, but are an early riser, let that sweet EcoFlow get the coffee going and some Starlink for morning reading. As soon as the neighbors are up, it's ProPower time for microwave and air conditioning. ?

 

[MPBFord]

"Solar Generator" + ProPower 7.2KW = boondocking options and features that would have been science fiction just a few short years ago. The two portable grids go together like peaches&cream.

Yes, if you need quiet-camp morning, but are an early riser, let that sweet EcoFlow get the coffee going and some Starlink for morning reading. As soon as the neighbors are up, it's ProPower time for microwave and air conditioning. ?

I'm on board with that. Now that I'm thinking it over more, having the Ecoflow for primary use makes more sense anyway. I only need 120V @ 30A service which this can easily handle. Occasional coffee brewing, microwave, and AC if the need arises for short periods.

I was planning out a rebuild of my trailer's electrical system to add some LifePO4 batteries, inverter, the whole 9 yards.

But then I got the new truck and that's where my money will be tied up, so I'll put that battery upgrade on the back burner. But in a way, having the new truck also helps out in other ways so it's definitely a net win.

I'm really looking forwards to getting the new truck delivered, still about 2 weeks out. It's a big upgrade to my current '99 F350 and a '04 Tundra. The built in generator on the F150 was one of my "must have" items.

I already ordered the L14-30 to TT30 adapter so I can hook my trailer up directly. It's amazing that I can do that and still have another 30A on the other half of that split phase for something else. I'll charge my inlaws a nominal fee so they can recharge their devices.

 

[powerboatr]

Not ppwer related
But I use a 3/4 inch think stall mat in the bed.

I need to look into thst solar generator
Thats a nice option for quick short term interruption here until I get the big one up znd going

 

[Davexxxx]

Not ppwer related
But I use a 3/4 inch think stall mat in the bed.

I need to look into thst solar generator
Thats a nice option for quick short term interruption here until I get the big one up znd going

The Weathertech bed mat, is a good choice, if you're looking to conserve payload.

I also like the basically, glove fit, all around. I'm not saying no dirt gets behind it but its a different order of magnitude from any regular mat.

Not as sticky as a rubber mat but a lot less slippy than a rigid liner, or spray in. And I like having a tailgate liner. Theirs is a little gadgety to install but I can't say I have a better design in mind.

 

[SaCho]

I'm still awaiting delivery of my F-150, so I'm just reading up to prepare.

That's unfortunate if the Fordpass app relies on the cloud for anything. I'll be using mine to tow a trailer into the vast wilderness where cell phone signals dare not tread. I had thought that I could plug my trailer into the PPOB and fire it up remotely when the rest of the campsite is still asleep, relying on a little bit of battery only juice for my breakfast routine, maybe before the engine had to start up. I'm an early riser, so when I'm making breakfast it's still usually quiet hours.

I do have an Ecoflow that I was planning to bring, and that was before I picked the F-150 as my new truck, so I'll probably bring it along anyway. At least that one has local wireless capability so I can power the outlets up remotely from inside. No cloud required.

Unless you have a beefier 7.2kW PPoB based off Hybrid Battery System/PB, my 2kW PPoB based off EB is basically an overpriced option. During COVID, I waited one full year for my factory ordered truck with Auto Start/Stop Delete ($60 refund!), XM Delete etc. Lately had grounding issues that was covered by Extended Warranty otherwise I wouldn’t be able to afford to get it fixed. Inverter & Wiring Harness was replaced. Never get more than 1.4K from 2.0k PPoB. Basically ordered PPoB for small loads during camping. Failed miserably to power 800W Microwave due to surge.
EcoFlow Delta 2 came to the rescue and I started adding more PS. Current many Rivers & Deltas. Now I use DP3 with my Travel Trailer with 30A output.
Moral of the story: 2kW PPoB is not worth the price tag. Rather get an aftermarket PSW Inverter. DC-DC Chargers like EF 500w/800w Alternator Charger is a great option too

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