Powerboost brake pads

[Captain Dirty Beard]

Has anyone switched to a Semi-metallic pad on these trucks? The OEM ceramic pads leave a lot to be desired. Pedal effort seems excessive in order to slow this heavy pig down, and the bite of the OEM pads does not inspire confidence.

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[22Platinum]

I'll be switching to this soon, had real good results with them on previous vehicles

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[Captain Dirty Beard]

I'll be switching to this soon, had real good results with them on previous vehicles

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Im not crazy about the idea of using another ceramic pad, they just don't have the bite and fade resistance that Semi-metallic ones do

 

[scott011422]

It depends on what you need. At this time, Ceramic pads don't have the breaking performance for trucks. I used power stop brakes on my '05 when i towed more. they were amazing. Amazingly dirty too. With the '22, i don't tow as often. Just my boat a few times a year. I find the ceramics good enough for this. 99% of the time its just my family and I. Plus I don't have to deal with the brake dust nearly as much.

For that matter, depending on your driving style, The powerboost barley uses the ablative brakes. I had THOUSANDS of miles on my Powerboost before I couldnt see the factory finish on the rotors. Mine only apply in heavy braking or under 5mph mostly. I wouldn't be surprised If they make it to 100K.

 

[Captain Dirty Beard]

It depends on what you need. At this time, Ceramic pads don't have the breaking performance for trucks. I used power stop brakes on my '05 when i towed more. they were amazing. Amazingly dirty too. With the '22, i don't tow as often. Just my boat a few times a year. I find the ceramics good enough for this. 99% of the time its just my family and I. Plus I don't have to deal with the brake dust nearly as much.

For that matter, depending on your driving style, The powerboost barley uses the ablative brakes. I had THOUSANDS of miles on my Powerboost before I couldnt see the factory finish on the rotors. Mine only apply in heavy braking or under 5mph mostly. I wouldn't be surprised If they make it to 100K.

I don't really notice any regen braking going on. I know its there but the tiny electric motor isn't providing any meaningful slowing of the vehicle (not for me anyway).

With the addition of 285/65/20 E load tires, this thing needs some help in the braking department. Especially coming down the mountain passes here.

 

[HammaMan]

Keep in mind the PB is using regen brake blending. The first bit of the pedal isn't the brakes but the motor going into regen. With everything tied down, stomp the pedal. It has the same brakes as other F150s, it's just different in how it applies them. You're further into the pedal on braking than you'd expect for the same amount of brake friction. Using the hybrid gauge you can see what it's trying to do. Don't be afraid to lock out some gears and use the motor on long grades.

I've got roughly the same tires and have no complaints. I've been driving the expedition at nearly the same mass with same brakes and the pedal effort profile is just different.

 

[Captain Dirty Beard]

Keep in mind the PB is using regen brake blending. The first bit of the pedal isn't the brakes but the motor going into regen. With everything tied down, stomp the pedal. It has the same brakes as other F150s, it's just different in how it applies them. You're further into the pedal on braking than you'd expect for the same amount of brake friction. Using the hybrid gauge you can see what it's trying to do. Don't be afraid to lock out some gears and use the motor on long grades.

I've got roughly the same tires and have no complaints. I've been driving the expedition at nearly the same mass with same brakes and the pedal effort profile is just different.

Thanks, yeah I suppose it is just the vagueness at the top of the pedal that does not inspire confidence. I get out of my Mustang, and into this F150 and it's like "WTF is wrong with these brakes". lol

As far as engine braking goes, I have lived in CO my whole life and am well versed in using engine braking to keep speeds in check on steep grades. To the point that I installed the Raptor steering wheel just to be able to "manually" shift with the paddles instead of the silly buttons on the console shifter.

 

[HammaMan]

Thanks, yeah I suppose it is just the vagueness at the top of the pedal that does not inspire confidence. I get out of my Mustang, and into this F150 and it's like "WTF is wrong with these brakes". lol

As far as engine braking goes, I have lived in CO my whole life and am well versed in using engine braking to keep speeds in check on steep grades. To the point that I installed the Raptor steering wheel just to be able to "manually" shift with the paddles instead of the silly buttons on the console shifter.

Yeah, it's just the pedal blending. They've refined it a couple times since launch. Not sure if your ABS is up-to-date. Typically goes along with a PCM update. I too went for the raptor wheel. Too damn many gears! A quick and dirty for grades is tow haul as it'll use engine braking more. I believe using the cruise control will also cause the engine to downshift and use engine braking instead of riding the brakes. There is some good little things hidden within the code like that. Typically what I'll see is it will regen until the battery is full and then start the ICE and downshift it. Cruise control isn't just for holding a speed under load, it will hold it down hill too while not burning up the brakes dragging the pedal.

 

[Captain Dirty Beard]

Yeah, it's just the pedal blending. They've refined it a couple times since launch. Not sure if your ABS is up-to-date. Typically goes along with a PCM update. I too went for the raptor wheel. Too damn many gears! A quick and dirty for grades is tow haul as it'll use engine braking more. I believe using the cruise control will also cause the engine to downshift and use engine braking instead of riding the brakes. There is some good little things hidden within the code like that. Typically what I'll see is it will regen until the battery is full and then start the ICE and downshift it. Cruise control isn't just for holding a speed under load, it will hold it down hill too while not burning up the brakes dragging the pedal.

One thing I haven't yet tried is the hill descent control button. any idea what this actually does?

I have my OTA updates set to auto, but I guess Im not sure if I have the latest updates or not

 

[HammaMan]

One thing I haven't yet tried is the hill descent control button. any idea what this actually does?

I have my OTA updates set to auto, but I guess Im not sure if I have the latest updates or not

PM me your vin and I'll see what you have outstanding.

Hill descent is off road feature for FX4s and tremor/raptor. It's basically a slow speed cruise control for auto braking that uses cruise buttons to set speed. Next time on a hill try using regular cruise control set at an appropriate speed and see what it does.

 

[Captain Dirty Beard]

PM me your vin and I'll see what you have outstanding.

Hill descent is off road feature for FX4s and tremor/raptor. It's basically a slow speed cruise control for auto braking that uses cruise buttons to set speed. Next time on a hill try using regular cruise control set at an appropriate speed and see what it does.

Excellent, thanks. PM Sending....

 

[bdginmo]

I don't really notice any regen braking going on. I know its there but the tiny electric motor isn't providing any meaningful slowing of the vehicle (not for me anyway).

Interesting. I've driven the Ford Escape Hybrid and still have my Ford Fusion Energi and I think the F-150 PB has more regen braking than either of those. I get a brake score of 90%+ with almost no thought. It's only when I have to brake hard at last minute stoplight changes that I get below 80%. To each his own I guess.

BTW...I have 130k miles on Ford Fusion Energi with the original brake pads. If I don't get at least 100k miles out the F-150 PB original brake pads I'm going to be disappointed.

 

[HammaMan]

Interesting. I've driven the Ford Escape Hybrid and still have my Ford Fusion Energi and I think the F-150 PB has more regen braking than either of those. I get a brake score of 90%+ with almost no thought. It's only when I have to brake hard at last minute stoplight changes that I get below 80%. To each his own I guess.

BTW...I have 130k miles on Ford Fusion Energi with the original brake pads. If I don't get at least 100k miles out the F-150 PB original brake pads I'm going to be disappointed.

Yeah it can brake pretty good on regen alone but on a long down hill when the battery is "full" there's no more regen and have to use friction or engine. I have lots of rolling hills here and don't really get many several-mile-long downhill runs, let alone w/out traffic to just play. When I last did it w/ cruise set it regened until full and fired the ICE and downshifted to hold set cruise speed.

When I put the BC 1.4 stack on the MME, it changed its over-speed cruise behavior where it reaches +2 then abruptly brakes where it used to easy regen it. Not sure if it's EV only thing or if the F150's version of the software did the same. I use each vehicle for different purposes and routes so it's not something I can really back-to-back. There's some bridges in town w/ inclines that really just make the MME become retarded in the speed holding. I use the lane centering / radar cruise pretty much all the time -- it's cheap entertainment and I like to see what it is and isn't capable of. On long cruises it just works, but around town you get to see the edge cases a whole lot more.

 

[KirkBay]

Interesting. I've driven the Ford Escape Hybrid and still have my Ford Fusion Energi and I think the F-150 PB has more regen braking than either of those. I get a brake score of 90%+ with almost no thought. It's only when I have to brake hard at last minute stoplight changes that I get below 80%. To each his own I guess.

BTW...I have 130k miles on Ford Fusion Energi with the original brake pads. If I don't get at least 100k miles out the F-150 PB original brake pads I'm going to be disappointed.

I've got my original pads on my 21 PB and crossed over 115K driving to work this morning.

 

[Captain Dirty Beard]

Interesting. I've driven the Ford Escape Hybrid and still have my Ford Fusion Energi and I think the F-150 PB has more regen braking than either of those. I get a brake score of 90%+ with almost no thought. It's only when I have to brake hard at last minute stoplight changes that I get below 80%. To each his own I guess.

BTW...I have 130k miles on Ford Fusion Energi with the original brake pads. If I don't get at least 100k miles out the F-150 PB original brake pads I'm going to be disappointed.

Hmm, I must say, I dont feel it at all. I have to use the brakes for every stop or slowdown. We have a Tesla too so I know what to expect/feel. Is it possible that the battery is just too full to allow regen braking? Is there a setting like in full electric cars to allow a certain level of regen?

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