OpenPilot on the F-150 (BlueCruise alternative)

[oneinch]

I've ordered a Comma 3X, but I'll be installing it in my Maverick. I'm wondering if the Comma is a portable device; meaning can it be moved back and forth between vehicles? Of course each vehicle would require its own wiring. I'm hoping that the Comma will have vehicle profiles so that it can be moved back and forth. I'll move it to the F150 after it is officially supported.

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[powerboatr]

I've ordered a Comma 3X, but I'll be installing it in my Maverick. I'm wondering if the Comma is a portable device; meaning can it be moved back and forth between vehicles? Of course each vehicle would require its own wiring. I'm hoping that the Comma will have vehicle profiles so that it can be moved back and forth. I'll move it to the F150 after it is officially supported.

thats a darn good question the mav is supported on the comma site and the cabling is from what i read the same as it plugs into the obd.
but moving from car to car ???

 

[Fourthewin]

thanks
other than the subscription uploading your driving data to be retrieved for a few days
what is the benefit?
the site states updates will be available for a year after last date of production of that model, so does the subscription keep you up to date or does it do it via the device at each start up to look for updates
i read and read and but never got a definite answer in my mind


and a big one for me, once the f150 bugs are worked through, will the comma3 update those specific files or do you need to go download new files each update?

I've ordered a Comma 3X, but I'll be installing it in my Maverick. I'm wondering if the Comma is a portable device; meaning can it be moved back and forth between vehicles? Of course each vehicle would require its own wiring. I'm hoping that the Comma will have vehicle profiles so that it can be moved back and forth. I'll move it to the F150 after it is officially supported.

if it’s two fully supported vehicles then I don’t see why it wouldn’t work. I’m 95% certain it would work just fine.

 

[oneinch]

if it’s two fully supported vehicles then I don’t see why it wouldn’t work

I'm no software engineer. My understanding is that you install the software for a supported vehicle and that software fingerprints the vehicle (it checks the p's and q's). I'm assuming that the Maverick and the F150 will have different fingerprints. I'm hoping that there are vehicle profiles to facilitate moving the Comma back and forth between vehicles.

 

[Ajzride]

I'm no software engineer. My understanding is that you install the software for a supported vehicle and that software fingerprints the vehicle (it checks the p's and q's). I'm assuming that the Maverick and the F150 will have different fingerprints. I'm hoping that there are vehicle profiles to facilitate moving the Comma back and forth between vehicles.

It would work if fingerprinting worked on the F150, but it doesn't yet. Your Maverick will be recognized but you have to hard-code the F150, which means you would have to do a little SSH work every time you wanted to move it back and forth. Once we get the fingerprinting for F150 figured out you could move it back and forth freely.

 

[Fourthewin]

I'm no software engineer. My understanding is that you install the software for a supported vehicle and that software fingerprints the vehicle (it checks the p's and q's). I'm assuming that the Maverick and the F150 will have different fingerprints. I'm hoping that there are vehicle profiles to facilitate moving the Comma back and forth between vehicles.

It fingerprints at every startup and is not permanent. So as I said, if you're running two fully supported vehicles, then it will fingerprint them at startup and be fine. However, I'm not sure if you're running one on a vehicle like the F150 because we're running custom forks of the master software.

 

[oneinch]

It would work if fingerprinting worked on the F150

Great. This is why I'm installing it in my Maverick. I'm waiting for the F150 to be supported. I can only drive one at a time so I'm hoping I only need one Comma.

 

[hitchhiker]

Finally got my cable in and got to try the Comma 3x out a bit. I haven't spent too much time with it yet, but it does feel much more planted when following curves to the left than to the right.

Here are a few installer URLs for branches pre-patched w/ the hard coded F-150 signature. I also merged the latest changes from master into the sunnypilot fork and created a ford-comfort branch for that as well.

URL	Description
installer.comma.ai/tinkerborg/master	Openpilot master branch with hard-coded F-150 signature
installer.comma.ai/tinkerborg/ford-comfort	Openpilot ford-comfort branch with hard-coded F-150 signature, updated with latest changes from master
installer.comma.ai/tinkerborg/sunny-master	Sunnypilot master branch, with hard-coded F-150 signature, updated with latest changes from openpilot master
installer.comma.ai/tinkerborg/sunny-ford-comfort	Sunnypilot master branch, with hard-coded F-150 signature, updated with latest changes from openpilot ford-comfort

 

[hitchhiker]

The sunnypilot branches I posted above aren’t currently working. Will fix them or edit the post when back at my computer.

We took a ride to to Bangor yesterday, about a 250 mile round trip. Most of my driving is on rural state highways and local roads so this was my first experience with it on an Interstate.

I had two different Teslas a couple years ago. OP definitely is not on par with autopilot. Comparing it to BlueCruise on the other hand is no contest, in my opinion.

BlueCruise felt more like a novelty to me than a legit driving aid. It certainly did not reduce the stress or fatigue of highway driving. I found myself having to be hyper vigilant about where I look, and about glancing away from the road for any reason at all. It would even warn me for looking in my mirrors too often. I felt constantly harangued by the nanny to the point where it was more stressful than just driving myself.

In return, BlueCruise was supposed to do the driving. I never experienced any “ping pong” effect but it stressed me out in many other ways. Stray one mph over 80 and it would disengage without warning. It would disengage in the rain. It would not engage at all when pulling a trailer, even my tiny little kayak trailer. It would hug one side of the lane most of the time, and I’d have to take over when passing to feel comfortable.

BC felt like I had to give so much for so little in return. Look ma, no hands — a party trick.

I am quite pleased to say that I felt none of this with OP. It wasn’t perfect and I took over a couple times when passing a semi or going through a very tight construction site. Other than that, it gave me 90% of the experience I missed from the Tesla.

It was a low stress drive. OP held the lanes with confidence even passing cars at 85mph around a curve. I always pay attention but didn’t feel pestered to maintain an artificial hyper-focus. It didn’t pester me when I went to change the music or clean my glasses. In fact, it didn’t give me a single attention alert at all.

TL;DR I am very pleased with the decision so far and it will only get better. Comma says it “makes driving chill” and I found they to be exactly true.

 

[Ajzride]

I’m Headed Kerville TX in two weeks, so looking forward to having an ADAS that can handle those 80 mph zones.

 

[Snakebitten]

I'm not surprised at the obvious comparison between OP and Bluecruise, but since F150 Lane Centering/Adaptive Cruise is by itself a driver's assist technology that reduces MY (personal experience) fatigue on driving medium/long distances, it's difficult for me to consider Bluecruise more fatique-ing than LC/ACC.

My biggest complaint with Bluecruise is the eye scanning requirements being enforced even if Bluecruise isn't enabled.

Having said that though, I have already seen evidence here that OP is going to crush Bluecruise 1, and likely 1.3 as well. Very encouraging!

 

[HammaMan]

OP has machine learning baked into it to look at slip angle and vehicle turning characteristics and factors it back into the driving algorithm. The guy that works on it did a pretty decent deep dive into. Ford wants you to tell the computer the variables and then it just acts on them. It can't take into account for different tires and their characteristics.

In the vid he discusses how the more they tried to unique the code to vehicles (how ford does it), the worse the system behaves. Now it can tell you if your alignment is off or a tire is underinflated. All of the vids from their commacon event are great background filler content.

 

[Jimi]

@hitchhiker thanks for the OP, I'm not a software engineer by any stretch of the imagination but the topic is of vicarious interest to me.

Nope, there's zero chance I'll ever venture to add any aftermarket driver assistance to my vehicles, but that doesn't dampen my interest in the subject.

You seem to be effective in communicating to both 'lay persons' like myself and 'experts', so I'm hoping you'll keep that up and I'm looking forward to watching this thread and learning.

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[Fourthewin]

I had two different Teslas a couple years ago. OP definitely is not on par with autopilot. Comparing it to BlueCruise on the other hand is no contest, in my opinion.
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TL;DR I am very pleased with the decision so far and it will only get better. Comma says it “makes driving chill” and I found they to be exactly true.

Happy to hear that you've experienced the same results. I'm excited to see what OP can do when it's fully supported and longitudinal control is activated with OP. I think the experience could be even better....especially if it utilizes both Radar and camera

 

[natefons]

The sunnypilot branches I posted above aren’t currently working. Will fix them or edit the post when back at my computer.

We took a ride to to Bangor yesterday, about a 250 mile round trip. Most of my driving is on rural state highways and local roads so this was my first experience with it on an Interstate.

I had two different Teslas a couple years ago. OP definitely is not on par with autopilot. Comparing it to BlueCruise on the other hand is no contest, in my opinion.

BlueCruise felt more like a novelty to me than a legit driving aid. It certainly did not reduce the stress or fatigue of highway driving. I found myself having to be hyper vigilant about where I look, and about glancing away from the road for any reason at all. It would even warn me for looking in my mirrors too often. I felt constantly harangued by the nanny to the point where it was more stressful than just driving myself.

In return, BlueCruise was supposed to do the driving. I never experienced any “ping pong” effect but it stressed me out in many other ways. Stray one mph over 80 and it would disengage without warning. It would disengage in the rain. It would not engage at all when pulling a trailer, even my tiny little kayak trailer. It would hug one side of the lane most of the time, and I’d have to take over when passing to feel comfortable.

BC felt like I had to give so much for so little in return. Look ma, no hands — a party trick.

I am quite pleased to say that I felt none of this with OP. It wasn’t perfect and I took over a couple times when passing a semi or going through a very tight construction site. Other than that, it gave me 90% of the experience I missed from the Tesla.

It was a low stress drive. OP held the lanes with confidence even passing cars at 85mph around a curve. I always pay attention but didn’t feel pestered to maintain an artificial hyper-focus. It didn’t pester me when I went to change the music or clean my glasses. In fact, it didn’t give me a single attention alert at all.

TL;DR I am very pleased with the decision so far and it will only get better. Comma says it “makes driving chill” and I found they to be exactly true.

Were you able to get OP with comma 3 working fine on your f150?

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