MY22 Adding SiriusXM

[Wallyo]

I guess the only way to know for sure is to pull the APIM and visually inspect it. Do you know if I can view the APIM with the ACM head unit removed, or do i need to pull the screen out?

At this point, i think I am going to stop working on the nav part and focus on getting the SiriusXM permanently connected. I'm thinking I can use the existing antennas and just make some "creative" cable connections. I'm going to order the cables tonight and plan to work on this the weekend. I'll revisit the nav APIM later, maybe there will be some developments at Ford. Fingers crossed.

With the ACM pulled and using an inspection mirror you will be able to see what connections you have on the APIM. I used the large square one harbor freight sells. But again the nav APiM shortage caused the Nav/Xm delete so almost guaranteed you don’t have it. I checked mine because at the time I did not know if it was an Nav APIM or Antenna shortage.

As to the antenna you cannot use the existing GPS antenna for XM. You need to replace the right roof antenna or do what I and others did with a dash xm antenna.

Any connection is going to be with a Curry yellow or Blue Z FAKRA antenna cable.

I got the below at a pull yard
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[Ranual]

in addi6ion to above.

Part 18812C seems to inter connect the Left and Right antennas. At the right corner it seems to have a double jack (Possibly to except either a XM or non XM antenna?). it then wraps around the window to the TCU.

5 & 7 speaker

Hey @Wallyo,

Did you notice on this parts diagram the part number of the RH and LH antennas (18A984B and 18A984B respectively)? Have you looked up this part number on the Ford Parts website? The part number is for the AM/FM antenna cable. I then noticed that the part number for the AM/FM antenna cable is is 18A984C. WTF? Is this parts diagram wrong?

Any thoughts?

 

[riderryan92]

I guess the only way to know for sure is to pull the APIM and visually inspect it. Do you know if I can view the APIM with the ACM head unit removed, or do i need to pull the screen out?

At this point, i think I am going to stop working on the nav part and focus on getting the SiriusXM permanently connected. I'm thinking I can use the existing antennas and just make some "creative" cable connections. I'm going to order the cables tonight and plan to work on this the weekend. I'll revisit the nav APIM later, maybe there will be some developments at Ford. Fingers crossed.

The APIM is not behind the screen. It’s behind the HVAC controllers. Actually quite easy to get to. A few trim pieces and 4 7mm bolts. Took me about 15 minutes to get to it.

 

[Texas2022XLT]

I was looking this last night as well on parts.ford.com comparing my 2022 with XM delete to a 2023 with XM. Two of the antennas between the two definitely are different because of the cost. However the other one matched in cost but the description was slightly different but the pictures the same. I've ordered the antenna and splitter from Ford, plan on picking them up tomorrow and installing this weekend. Still trying to decide on the left over blue cable after replacing the antenna. Do I leave it disconnected or do what XLT22 suggested and take it out of the housing and tape it up?

 

[Wallyo]

Hey @Wallyo,

Did you notice on this parts diagram the part number of the RH and LH antennas (18A984B and 18A984B respectively)? Have you looked up this part number on the Ford Parts website? The part number is for the AM/FM antenna cable. I then noticed that the part number for the AM/FM antenna cable is is 18A984C. WTF? Is this parts diagram wrong?

Any thoughts?

In that diagram,
Those are the abbreviated part numbers not full numbers also left antenna ends in A right a B.

All F150s have the same drivers side antenna.
The right antenna has 2 versions

Blue and burgundy plugs non Xm

Burgundy and yellow Xm

On the first page XLT22 has edited several times he has updated iit and explains what to do about the missing blue on the. XM antenna version.

The XM delete is just collateral damage from the nav APIM shortage . The blue plug handles GPS in non nav units for ford psss.

With nav units this function is taken over by the nav unit it self using the Xm signal an a geolocator. That is why if you were installing nav you would need 10E828 in the drawing you posted.

 

[Wallyo]

I was looking this last night as well on parts.ford.com comparing my 2022 with XM delete to a 2023 with XM. Two of the antennas between the two definitely are different because of the cost. However the other one matched in cost but the description was slightly different but the pictures the same. I've ordered the antenna and splitter from Ford, plan on picking them up tomorrow and installing this weekend. Still trying to decide on the left over blue cable after replacing the antenna. Do I leave it disconnected or do what XLT22 suggested and take it out of the housing and tape it up?

If not installing a NAV APIM

You can buy a generic Nav antenna on Amazon for 10 bucks with a blue plug and try it stuffed in the head liner. https://www.amazon.com/Bingfu-Water...uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl

 

[Wallyo]

While we are at it ford instructions for APIM replacement.

 

[Texas2022XLT]

If not installing a NAV APIM

You can buy a generic Nav antenna on Amazon for 10 bucks with a blue plug and try it stuffed in the head liner. https://www.amazon.com/Bingfu-Waterproof-Navigation-Compatible-Volkswagen/dp/B07R6NL5G6/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?crid=3TP3X7F9JYXC2&keywords=navigation+antenna&qid=1676563185&sprefix=navigation+an,aps,202&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzQ1I2MlgxSUE3QjZGJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMDcyMTcxMlUxOU1JSUpXVkpFRCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDE1NTg3M1NKUzg4UFQ1UTBZQiZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX3Bob25lX3NlYXJjaF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl

I thought about that...no NAV for me.

 

[Ranual]

Those are the abbreviated part numbers not full numbers also left antenna ends in A right a B.

All F150s have the same drivers side antenna.
The right antenna has 2 versions

Blue and burgundy plugs non Xm

Burgundy and yellow Xm

On the first page XLT22 has edited several times he has updated iit and explains what to do about the missing blue on the. XM antenna version.

The XM delete is just collateral damage from the nav APIM shortage . The blue plug handles GPS in non nav units for ford psss.

With nav units this function is taken over by the nav unit it self using the Xm signal an a geolocator. That is why if you were installing nav you would need 10E828 in the drawing you posted.

I have to respectfully disagree with you, @Wallyo. 18A984 turns up the AM/FM antenna cable reguardless of the last letter (A, B, or C).

I'm still at a loss as to what is the part number for the RH roof mount antenna. :-(

If there are three connectors on the wiring harness (Burgund, Curry, and Blue) wouldn't it make sense that there would be an antenna with three leads coming from it? Or does the Curry and Blue connections carry the same signal and you could just combine them? I mean, a satellite signal is a satellite signal whether it carrys GPS data or Satellite Radio data, it's all just data carried over wireless signals until it gets to the truck where it's carried over a coax wire.

My Ford Dealer salesman has the same truck as me. The only difference is he took delivery pre-May 2022, before the "Cnctd Nav/SiriusXM Removal". My thought being if I could get the part number for the RH roof antenna from his truck, I could retrofit mine. I asked that he send me the part numbers from his truck and my truck so I could do a comparison to see which parts are missing. He sent me both diagrams (Attached to this post). His diagram is labled "My Truck" and my diagram is labeled "Your Truck". As you can see, the antennas on both diagrams are the same part number, but just swapped (B on RH on "My Truck" (his truck) and A on RH on "You Truck" (My Truck). The only other missing part is the 10E928 cable.

I thought it would be as simple as ordering the missing parts and everything would work. However, the antenna part numbers have me stumped. Where is this "mystery" antenna with three leads (maroon, curry, and blue)? This is what I mean by creative cabling.... carry the GPS satellite signal and the Sirius satellite signal down the same cable and then split them with the splitter cable under the glove box?

I'm still experimenting... stay tuned.

 

[Ranual]

Just to add a thought on this and don’t take it the wrong way if you want to try and add nav go for it the main benefit as I understand it is in very remote areas you will get live updates since it is sat based.

But navigation with car play works so well in cell areas and If you have a route set your progress is still tracked in dead cell areas.

So just give some thought if it is worth it

@Wallyo,

I completely agree with you. I am of the belief that one should use a nav system designed and built for a car. Several automotive professionals and engineers spent countless hours designing the GUI for an automobile.... in-car user interfaces are to be uncomplicated and are secondary. Your primary focus should be on the road... While these Smartphone GPS apps are noteworthy, they are designed to be viewed on a Smartphone screen. I know Carplay(TM) has tried to bridge this with the in-vehical screen, but the fact is that the app is still designed for the user's primary focus to be on the Smarphone screen. Besides, why would I want to look at a 6" screen when my car has this nice 12" inch screen. Then, there's the whole issue of support when something goes wrong. Seems like all these software companies like to point fingers at the other when trying to integrate them. With CarPlay, you add another layer of support because now you have brought Apple into the mix along with Waze, SiriusXM, Spotify, Google, etc. With the built-in nav, you have just that appliation software vendor to deal with, and hopefully Ford will run interference for you. Again, the above is all my opinion and should be taken as such...Okay, enough of my soapbox...



Adding a nav APIM is still not out of the question, I just don't want to tackle that project at the moment. I looked on Ebay and can find only nav APIMs with a manufacture date of 2/2021 or earlier, and they are $299. Before I spend more $$$ on this project, I want to do as much research and experiment with the hardware I already have.

Also, I also like the in-car nav because you can view the upcoming Exit information for services such as gas, food, shopping, etc. I've not found this feature with any of the SmartPhone GPS apps. Again, to my point about the in-car nav is designed for an automobile and not some SmartPhone social media user.

 

[Wallyo]

Ranual

That is why ford did what they did.
there is no 3 lead antenna if there was they would of deleted only the nav.

Xm and nav are 2 different frequencies

nav is 1575.42MHz ±3MHz

XM is 2320 - 2345 MHz

So antennas do not interchange it is why a smartphone has something like 5 antennas


In trucks without nav and Xm the right and left antenna all go into the telematics communication receiver control module located behind the rear seat. No antenna is routed from back to front.

With Nav/ Xm

The right blue is not present. IT’s functions are taken over by the curry yellow going to the glove box where a splitter is installed (there is circuitry involved because the wires are not just a Y split but go into a box) from there one end plugs into the ACM, the other the NAV APIM.


If Blue is not connected you loose Accurate Ford Pass location cellular takes over.

That is the best way I can explain it

Edit

you may want to do some more research into CarPlay or the android version. Folks on this forum and others that have had both have said that the phone navigation apps are surprisingly superior to fords versions.

I just use Apple Maps, when I get in the truck and start it, automatically on the 12” screen I am given the map with fastest route to my house. If I want another location I just hit the voice button on the steering wheel and ask for “directions to

All that is happening is your phone takes over as the navigation APIM.

So you may want to look into it some more.

 

[Texas2022XLT]

I just checked a 2023 with XM vs my 2022 Non-XM and it does match what Ranual shows in the 2021 with and without. The A and B are swapped on the 2023 and matches the 2021 with XM. Not sure if it matters to Wallyo point as there is no 3 wire antenna and that is what the splitter is for.

 

[Ranual]

With the ACM pulled and using an inspection mirror you will be able to see what connections you have on the APIM. I used the large square one harbor freight sells. But again the nav APiM shortage caused the Nav/Xm delete so almost guaranteed you don’t have it. I checked mine because at the time I did not know if it was an Nav APIM or Antenna shortage.

As to the antenna you cannot use the existing GPS antenna for XM. You need to replace the right roof antenna or do what I and others did with a dash xm antenna.

Any connection is going to be with a Curry yellow or Blue Z FAKRA antenna cable.

I got the below at a pull yard
https://store.mopar.com/oem-parts/mopar-radio-antenna-assembly-5064813aa?c=Zz1lbGVjdHJpY2FsJnM9cmFkaW8tYW50ZW5uYS1zcGVha2Vycy1kdmQtYW5kLXZpZGVvLXN5c3RlbXMmbD0yOCZuPUFzc2VtYmxpZXMgUGFnZSZhPWplZXAmbz13cmFuZ2xlciZ5PTIwMDgmdD1ydWJpY29uJmU9My04bC12Ni1nYXM=

I pulled a rooftop antenna from a Chrysler 300 I found at a local salvage yard and removed the plastic housing to expose the metal coax connector. The antenna has two leads. I plugged one of the leads directly into the curry-colored connector of the ACM and got the Sirius XM working. I have the antenna sitting on the dash so that I can enjoy Satellite radio while I figure out this antenna debacle. Like I said in my previous post... is there some "mystery" antenna with three leads, or can I send the satellite signal down both cables? Nav is on the back-burner right now.

This is the antenna I pulled from the Chrysler 300. I removed the plastic housing from the metal coax connector.

I then tried each lead in the back of the ACM satellite jack (curry-colored Fakra). The white-colored cable gave me an "antenna error" and the brownish cable worked.

I temporarily placed the ACM back into the dashboard cavity and set the Chrysler 300 antenna on the edge of the opening. I am now enjoying SiriusXM while I figure out the rest of this.

More to come.

 

[Texas2022XLT]

If not installing a NAV APIM

You can buy a generic Nav antenna on Amazon for 10 bucks with a blue plug and try it stuffed in the head liner. https://www.amazon.com/Bingfu-Waterproof-Navigation-Compatible-Volkswagen/dp/B07R6NL5G6/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?crid=3TP3X7F9JYXC2&keywords=navigation+antenna&qid=1676563185&sprefix=navigation+an,aps,202&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzQ1I2MlgxSUE3QjZGJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMDcyMTcxMlUxOU1JSUpXVkpFRCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNDE1NTg3M1NKUzg4UFQ1UTBZQiZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX3Bob25lX3NlYXJjaF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl

Is that the right FARKA connection? Not sure what end is on the cable above the headliner?

 

[Ranual]

Ranual

That is why ford did what they did.
there is no 3 lead antenna if there was they would of deleted only the nav.

Xm and nav are 2 different frequencies

nav is 1575.42MHz ±3MHz

XM is 2320 - 2345 MHz

So antennas do not interchange it is why a smartphone has something like 5 antennas


In trucks without nav and Xm the right and left antenna all go into the telematics communication receiver control module located behind the rear seat. No antenna is routed from back to front.

With Nav/ Xm

The right blue is not present. IT’s functions are taken over by the curry yellow going to the glove box where a splitter is installed (there is circuitry involved because the wires are not just a Y split but go into a box) from there one end plugs into the ACM, the other the NAV APIM.


If Blue is not connected you loose Accurate Ford Pass location cellular takes over.

That is the best way I can explain it

Edit

you may want to do some more research into CarPlay or the android version. Folks on this forum and others that have had both have said that the phone navigation apps are surprisingly superior to fords versions.

I just use Apple Maps, when I get in the truck and start it, automatically on the 12” screen I am given the map with fastest route to my house. If I want another location I just hit the voice button on the steering wheel and ask for “directions to

All that is happening is your phone takes over as the navigation APIM.

So you may want to look into it some more.

Okay, I get it. Thank you for clarifying the GPS vs. XM frequencies. That throws out my "use the same cable for both" theory.

So with the correct RH antenna (burgundy/Curry) you send XM signal down to the connection in the glove box and use the 10E928 cable to connect one to the APM? what do you do with the blue connector?

I don't understand why in @XLT22's original post he describes modifying the removed antenna and using double-sided tape and sticking it to the inside of the roof, effectively creating a three-lead antenna? If I put in 10E928 won't that restore the "Accurate FordPass" location issue? I'm still confused about what to do with the disconnected Blue connection.

Anyone else want to chime in?

EDIT: I've already posted my opinion on CarPlay. The experience is mediocre at best.

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