5L vs 3.5L?

[tony72cutlass's']

Wow. That's unusual for the Ram. They have ZF boxes which are incredibly bulletproof.

Yeah i was very surprised too. This is the second Ram he has had that pissed oil everywhere, the first was an 3.0 eco diesel self destructing model.

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[Henfield]

Yeah i was very surprised too. This is the second Ram he has had that pissed oil everywhere, the first was an 3.0 eco diesel self destructing model.

Now the Ecodiesel was a complete disaster. About 8% of the fleet disabled waiting for new engines at any one time......

 

[JExpedition07]

Both the 3.5 and 5.0 are at the end of product life cycle. Death date for 3.5 is 2030, death date for 5.0 is 2028. Whether Ford changes this or not remains to be seen, Ford is counting on ramped up EV adoption and the ICE engines going away. The only internal combustion engines Ford plans to produce after 2030 are the 6.8 & 7.3 V8, the rest of the internal combustion lineup has replacements all ready lined up.

Looks like I may have posted some bad info, regarding the articles that have claimed 2028 as the end of the 5.0, Ford has come out and debunked those now. Stating that is just a labor contract and that production will continue so long as demand for it stays. And refuses to comment on future product of course lol.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/current-ford-mustang-production-is-ending-in-2028-report#

 

[Chili]

Not to be a "stickler for details", but that 7,000rpm 5.0 owners brag about happens maybe a few times a month, for a few seconds at a time. While the turbo boost happens pretty much every time you drive, and lasts as long as you are giving it ANY accelerator input while pulling low rpm.

Conventional wisdom dictates that if an engine is in a low rpm range, it must not be working hard, so most people drive it with a light pedal and don't let it downshift as often as they should. Problem is, exactly the OPPOSITE of conventional wisdom is true of the 3.5. It's under less stress at higher rpms. Many don't realize that when it's just churning away at 1,500-2,000 in overdrive going up that hill is when it's under the most stress, and getting horrible mileage to boot.

Yes, I know modern turbo tech has come a long way. Oil and cooling lines and all that jazz, but to suggest that the EB is just as reliable as a 5.0 because the 5.0 is capable of incredible rpm occasionally, is as silly as trying to suggest that the 5.0 is as powerful down low in the rpm range as the 3.5 is.

They're both great engines, each with their pros and cons. Reliability goes to the 5.0. There's NO arguing that point.

Before you accuse me of being a "fanboi" or other such nonsense, know that I also own a 3.5eb. It is literally getting it's engine replaced as we type. It's only 5 years and 117,000 miles old., and has been religiously maintained. They're great little engines, but they don't hold a candle to their N/A siblings as far as reliability goes. They just don't.

Not because of BOOOOOOOST as some may ignorantly assert, but because they superheat their oil by running it through the turbos. Even freshly changed oil becomes black after the first trip, while the 4,000 mile old oil in my Coyote is still a nice light golden brown. Same thing with my Bronco's 5.8 and My 2002's 5.4. All clean as a whistle inside with healthy looking oil, while the 3.5's oil looks like ink after the first trip to the grocery store.

Personal preference for driving charachteristics aside, I'd advise that if OP is the type to trade vehicles in every few years, then the peppy little turbo engine might be the way to go. If he's more the type to keep things around after the warranty has expired, then 5.0 all day, and twice on Sunday.

I didn't mention the 2.7 because the OP didn't mention the 2.7, which is down 75HP to both of the engines he's interested in. 95HP down if the 5.0's running e85. I test drove 3 of them. Wasn't impressed. Quick off the line, but It fell on it's face over 3,500 and payload was pitiful.

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[diambo4life]

You might read Enrique Fantastico 's thoughts later in this thread. He has some points. You have some points. I have never even owned a turbocharged car (and never will?) but I have driven them. Bottom line, a 3.5 is a 30% smaller motor that must rely on turbos spun by hot exhaust gas to do the same work as a 5.0. It is asking for later trouble. That turbo is boosting just going up minor hills, reasonable acceleration away from a stop light, towing a fishing boat, or running 70 mph. This means that they are being utilized close to full time. I understand we all have our opinions, but boosting a small motor to gain more power to match a 5.0 is a recipe for future failure. Tacking a Ford supercharger onto my 2023 5.0 sounds good but makes no sense.

This is the kind of misinformation that needs to stop! This is simply not supported by any facts and I speak from experience having owned multiple forced induction vehicles in the past 25 years and currently having 3 forced induction vehicles at my home (both 4 bangers and V8s.) The engine is an air pump. All it cares about is the air going in and the air going out. A smaller engine that has a turbo/supercharger just uses *positive* pressure to accomplish the same thing a bigger displacement does naturally; air IN and air OUT. It is not working "any harder" for 99% of consumer applications. Boosted engines are usually built to withstand forced induction applications. They will have lower compression ratios (see the 2020 Shelby Mustang for example) - they will have stronger pistons, exhaust valves made of special material to handle the heat better (see the sodium filled ones in the Mitsubishi Evolution), "looser" piston ring end gaps etc, plus the ECU mapping will be vastly different as well. They will run richer AFRs, less timing advance etc. So, the application is not working any harder than say the NA V8 Coyote that runs 12:1 compression ratio, leaner AFRs and 28 degrees of timing. That is a very simplistic and lazy way of dismissing the wonders of forced induction.

 

[JExpedition07]

What? The Coyote does not have stronger pistons than the 3.5 lol. What are you even basing that on?

Connecting rods sure, 5.0 con rods definitely are beefier and can handle more power without upgrades. The pistons are just typical hypereutectic, and need to be upgraded if you are pushing serious #’s. The Boss 302 was the only version of the 5.0 to get true drop forged pistons that will push 1,000 horse reliably without upgrading them. You ain’t doing that on stock 150 hypereutectic pistons.

 

[Samson16]

 

[Samson16]

? Not related except it’s fun to watch the Ram get Powerboosted .

 

[JExpedition07]

? Not related except it’s fun to watch the Ram get Powerboosted .

They must have recorded that with a toaster

 

[Chili]

They're all good engines for different reasons. There is not a "best" engine for the f150, but there are engines that are better for certain people and needs.

We don't need to try and put down the engine we didn't get to try and prove we "got the better one".

 

[King Luis]

IMO, think of what you’ll be using it for. Hailing and towing, might be better off with the 3.5. Like a smooth NA type of power delivery with the v8 sound, go for that. Want a bit more power but don’t car for the v8 sound. Go for the 3.5.
I went for the 5.0 for the following reasons, sound, hearing that it’s a very strong motor capable of handling a supercharger for 700hp stock, it’s a simpler engine with not turbos, intercoolers, etc. and the fuel economy isn’t that bad. Also, probably much simpler to work on in the future since the lack of turbos, etc.
both good engines. What’s your choice?

 

[redline]

They are both good engines and both have there issues … can’t go wrong with either one


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[King Luis]

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[BUDXR7]

Ahh, men arguing about subjectivity. Classic human behavior. Y’all should chill and have a bourbon. Trust me, its the best drink ever.

 

[Chili]

Ahh, men arguing about subjectivity. Classic human behavior. Y’all should chill and have a bourbon. Trust me, its the best drink ever.

Just wait until the 24's come out and people argue about the old one looking better.

At least they're not Chevy's!

(Kidding of course)

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