'22 F150 Transmission Problems, TSB 23-2250

[Snakebitten]

I agree that Ford should NOT deny a warranty claim for a truck tuned by Livernoise.
But Ford the manufacturer is the second hurdle, not the first.
If you don't have a service department to go to bat FOR you, the deck is stacked.

I think this Forum is ample evidence that the current state of Ford Authorized Factory Service being an advocate for the customer isn't exactly commonplace.

In the current climate, if you are going to tune, you better but your big boy pants on. (I am paraphrasing the words of the gentleman who owns JB4)

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[JExpedition07]

Did they in fact apply a PCM update?
Can you scan your VIN in FDRS to see if there's any PCM updates available?

I've had 4 trucks with 10r80 transmissions. 3 others in the family fleet. I admit that it's a bit crazy how much difference there can be between one and another, but we haven't had a "bad" one yet.

Having said that, my 2018 was tuned by GearHead tuning and that was the best behaved surest shifting of them all to date.
On the 3 Gen14 F150's, all Powerboosts (10r80 MHT), the 2 2021 trucks improved significantly as Ford released 3-4 PCM updates from the time the Job1 trucks were released. My 2022 Job2 truck has gotten 2 PCM updates since summer 2022. It's currently the best untuned 10r80 that I've ever driven.

Again, before I'd go to battle, I'd look to see if a PCM update has yet to be applied to your truck. (The TSB is a PCM update, in fact)

I'd also confirm your fluid level isn't low. This tranny is very sensitive to fluid level, especially at cold start.

Mine is smooth 99% of the time but when cold in the morning after about 2 minutes of driving I come to a stop sign. Every morning when it downshifts slowing to this stop sign I hear a nasty audible metallic clunk and it shakes the whole truck. Every day at that same spot without fail, then it shifts smooth the rest of the day.

 

[Snakebitten]

Mine is smooth 99% of the time but when cold in the morning after about 2 minutes of driving I come to a stop sign. Every morning when it downshifts I hear a nasty audible metallic clunk and it shakes the whole truck. Every day at that same spot without fail, then it shifts smooth the rest of the day.

Have you tried a different mode for that first 2 minutes and that Stop sign?
Since it's so predictable, it'd be interesting if say TowHaul shift strategy and line pressures got you around that single nasty hit.

 

[JExpedition07]

Have you tried a different mode for that first 2 minutes and that Stop sign?
Since it's so predictable, it'd be interesting if say TowHaul shift strategy and line pressures got you around that single nasty hit.

Sport mode gets rid of it yes, warming up the truck until the engine is up to temp before driving it also gets rid of it.

 

[HammaMan]

Sport mode keeps the revs higher and is supposed to lock up the TC sooner than other modes. I was watching some tuners in AU test out things on a ranger towing and they were using sport mode over tow/haul for its faster TC lockup behavior to keep trans temps down, before of course removing the factory plate exchanger and dropping over 30 degrees off of trans temps with an air/oil cooler.

Rev matching on the PB is a little better as they use the e-motor to regen the ICE's spin down. Not fond of the 1 to 3 shift while rolling into the throttle in normal mode. The ev to ICE switch at speed isn't even noticeable. Crazy how quick the the BISG comes in and the motor revs to speed and clutches online. If it wasn't for the tach quickly swinging up to speed it, wouldn't be noticed at all.

 

[sts90]

“The facts are …… Ford released a fix. I am entitled to ….” No, the facts are you changed the product and you are now entitled to nothing. Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act gives you a recourse to appeal the dealership’s decision. This will involve some if not all of the following stress, frustration, time, money, and lawyers. I know as I have been there, and done that. I feel for you and sincerely wish you best of luck to a quick resolution.

 

[Cranbery]

Did they in fact apply a PCM update?
Can you scan your VIN in FDRS to see if there's any PCM updates available?

I've had 4 trucks with 10r80 transmissions. 3 others in the family fleet. I admit that it's a bit crazy how much difference there can be between one and another, but we haven't had a "bad" one yet.

Having said that, my 2018 was tuned by GearHead tuning and that was the best behaved surest shifting of them all to date.
On the 3 Gen14 F150's, all Powerboosts (10r80 MHT), the 2 2021 trucks improved significantly as Ford released 3-4 PCM updates from the time the Job1 trucks were released. My 2022 Job2 truck has gotten 2 PCM updates since summer 2022. It's currently the best untuned 10r80 that I've ever driven.

Again, before I'd go to battle, I'd look to see if a PCM update has yet to be applied to your truck. (The TSB is a PCM update, in fact)

I'd also confirm your fluid level isn't low. This tranny is very sensitive to fluid level, especially at cold start.

I had the transmission serviced after reading the threads on this forum. I had a local shop that only works on Fords and has been around 20 years - when I walked in and asked for it, he showed me a bottle he saved from another 10r80 at 40k miles that was black. He says he's done a handful this year on less than 50k mile 10r80s and they're all filthy. Here's what mine looked like.

I had hoped it would help, but it didn't really change affect the behavior.

Again, dealer was refusing to do the work (after reprogramming it) because of an exhaust modification. No tune was ever mentioned. The mechanic described it doing the same thing other 10r80s that are completely stock are in for - expeditions, mustangs. Can't believe people are keyboard warrioring for a major corporation trying to deny claims to faulty transmissions they knowingly produced and released.

I have no problem paying to rebuild my tranny if it comes to that, I just won't pay Ford or a dealer and I'll just go aftermarket on that too since Ford's OEM parts are less quality at this point. Anyone defending Ford or their dealers charging $70-$80k for a truck that has leaking transmission seals and then making it difficult for consumers to get it repaired, is why Ford and dealers do this kind of thing.

 

[HammaMan]

@Cranbery sucks being in miami in that your only options are to trek north to find another dealer. Just start dialing saying it's going to take 2 months where you're at for a rebuild. Make the drive at off-peak hours to avoid excessive shifting if you find one that can take care of it. Mention nothing else about mods, etc... Provide vin / info over the phone make sure dealer didn't put nonsense on ticket.

 

[Deleted member 17130]

Did they in fact apply a PCM update?
Can you scan your VIN in FDRS to see if there's any PCM updates available?

I've had 4 trucks with 10r80 transmissions. 3 others in the family fleet. I admit that it's a bit crazy how much difference there can be between one and another, but we haven't had a "bad" one yet.

Having said that, my 2018 was tuned by GearHead tuning and that was the best behaved surest shifting of them all to date.
On the 3 Gen14 F150's, all Powerboosts (10r80 MHT), the 2 2021 trucks improved significantly as Ford released 3-4 PCM updates from the time the Job1 trucks were released. My 2022 Job2 truck has gotten 2 PCM updates since summer 2022. It's currently the best untuned 10r80 that I've ever driven.

Again, before I'd go to battle, I'd look to see if a PCM update has yet to be applied to your truck. (The TSB is a PCM update, in fact)

I'd also confirm your fluid level isn't low. This tranny is very sensitive to fluid level, especially at cold start.

I think the fluid level is more than likely my issue because it SEEMS that as soon as my wife and child get in the car, between the two of them it is leveling the truck out (I know seems pretty f'in weird and it's just a theory), it definitely shifts better. When there isn't the added load in weight of them, it's a moody b***h.

 

[Blue22STXFL]

I had the transmission serviced after reading the threads on this forum. I had a local shop that only works on Fords and has been around 20 years - when I walked in and asked for it, he showed me a bottle he saved from another 10r80 at 40k miles that was black. He says he's done a handful this year on less than 50k mile 10r80s and they're all filthy. Here's what mine looked like.

I had hoped it would help, but it didn't really change affect the behavior.

Again, dealer was refusing to do the work (after reprogramming it) because of an exhaust modification. No tune was ever mentioned. The mechanic described it doing the same thing other 10r80s that are completely stock are in for - expeditions, mustangs. Can't believe people are keyboard warrioring for a major corporation trying to deny claims to faulty transmissions they knowingly produced and released.

I have no problem paying to rebuild my tranny if it comes to that, I just won't pay Ford or a dealer and I'll just go aftermarket on that too since Ford's OEM parts are less quality at this point. Anyone defending Ford or their dealers charging $70-$80k for a truck that has leaking transmission seals and then making it difficult for consumers to get it repaired, is why Ford and dealers do this kind of thing.

Right there with ya on that one. I Bought mine used with 24k on it, and I've had the same issues you're having with a nice clunk to go with the 6-5 and sometimes 4-3 downshifts. My dealer continues to pretend there is nothing wrong with it, and yesterday I was told it would be 3-4 weeks just to get it looked at, and that Ford is not offering loaners or rental reimbursements temporarily so I will have no transportation unless I'd like to pay for a rental out of pocket. As much as I really like this truck, a big part of me wishes I'd just kept my old one...best of luck to you with getting it fixed!

 

[Henfield]

My opinion (I own a transmission repair shop)The shifting problem is more than likley computer controlled and it is possible caused from other programming.

After 22k miles on my 21, I am convinced that its not 100% as good as it could be. Whether its software, electro mechanical (shifting solenoids) or ATF fluid issues. At times its fantastic, smooth as butter. Then it gets a slam, jolt. Typically when slowing down or heavy footed kick down.

I'd add whenever I'm towing its fantastic. Its when its lightly laden that these things seem to happen.

 

[Cranbery]

Update to the saga: finally found a dealer that wasn't a piece of shit, and they went straight to the fix at the end of the TSB. Tranny tech said it was typical of that time transmission and he knew exactly what the issue was. He knew it had a tune too, asked me about it. One had nothing to do with the other. Even tipped the guy, they got it done in a week. Basically rebuilt the transmission including the leaking clutch packs in the drums, different metals (aluminum against cast iron). The seals and bushings leak.

So far so good, drives like when it was new with the transmission still adapting again. Cost me a couple grand in rental cars and Ubers, the tip to the tranny tech for doing it quickly, and I ended up buying a second car thinking it would take longer and I had a trip coming up I needed a car for (didn't want to keep spending money on rentals). All in all, YMMV, and Ford could care less about your warranty process.

 

[Samson16]

You successfully derailed the thread asking for experience by providing your opinion and no experience, just basically trolled it on some internet police trip. Thank you.

I think you’ve received some pretty good advice.
Glad it worked out for you.

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