2023 PB, should I buy it?

[Eighthtry]

Li-ion doesn't spontaneously combust. Fire comes from overcharging or damage. The PB's batt only can be charged with the engine running and won't even charge to 70% unless it's already warm. As for puncturing its batt, if that's occurred there's much bigger problems for the truck given its location.

What do you do for cordless power tools? Any worth owning has a lithium battery in it.

I use my cordless drills. Smaller batteries are certainly susceptible, which is why the airlines ask. It is big batteries I am concerned about.

I agree that fire comes from heat. That is the primary reason Boeing spent so much insulating between battery cells.

The main heat problem comes with energy density. Trying to get these cars some range requires a clean sheet redesign of a conventional battery. DieHards will not power an EV very far and constant major discharge/recharge is not good for a standard battery anyway.

I am only making everyone aware of the risks. I think they are glossed over by all, including Elon. In my mind lithium/ion batteries are substantial hazardous pollutants, most if not all are mined and made overseas, making them a national security risk, there is no established recycling, and people on the margin will suffer because who can afford a new battery at 150,000 miles anyway. I haven't gotten to child labor/exploitation because most think that is not a big deal on our border, so it must not be a problem in Trumps sh..hole countries. Most don't care.

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[HammaMan]

I use my cordless drills. Smaller batteries are certainly susceptible, which is why the airlines ask. It is big batteries I am concerned about.

I agree that fire comes from heat. That is the primary reason Boeing spent so much insulating between battery cells.

The main heat problem comes with energy density. Trying to get these cars some range requires a clean sheet redesign of a conventional battery. DieHards will not power an EV very far and constant major discharge/recharge is not good for a standard battery anyway.

I am only making everyone aware of the risks. I think they are glossed over by all, including Elon. In my mind lithium/ion batteries are substantial hazardous pollutants, most if not all are mined and made overseas, making them a national security risk, there is no established recycling, and people on the margin will suffer because who can afford a new battery at 150,000 miles anyway. I haven't gotten to child labor/exploitation because most think that is not a big deal on our border, so it must not be a problem in Trumps sh..hole countries. Most don't care.

The size of the battery has zero impact on its ability to burst into flames if mistreated. Energy density isn't even the issue. LFP and LMFP chemistry is up there on density and it's safer than any of the lead based offerings. Furthermore modern lithium batteries aren't dead at 150k miles -- the model S w/ 1.2mil miles on it just got its 4th battery put into (first 2 swaps were rebuilds, 550-650k km life, 4th battery is a new one - batts weren't dead, they were just degraded -- LFP batts have 2-5 times the life of those batts). Quite a few 300k+ mile teslas you can google about. Oh, and when it comes time to replace the batt if desired, their 'black mass' is worth $. Lithium battery recycling is very much real, and profitable. Especially when china wants to play games with ingredients like graphite.

Most vehicles today don't use any cobalt, which some may view as sad because then the kids lose their income. Reading is a good thing, but when it's about a topic like technology, it's best to stay up to date. To not do so would be like complaining about leaded gasoline pollution and only getting 10MPG in a large sedan. Yes, those were issues, 50 years ago.

Not much different than people not understanding spent fuel from a nuke power plant can be reprocessed into new fuel for it, but federal law prohibits it because of the plutonium. A far better option that significantly reduces the actual waste burden. A bit of a tangent, but rather important. We need to increase electrical generation at least 8%/yr just to keep up with Ai's energy demand unless you want to be the CCP's b1tch.

Ai is the power crunch, not EVs

 

[Kodiak]

It is funny that LiFePo batteries never got more mileage than they did. They have everything going for them except weight.

 

[Vater]

1st post here, and 1st F150 (maybe)

I recently put a deposit down on a 2023 Lariat Powerboost 502A. This was a service loaner and has 1100 miles on it. Wanting to capitalize on the 1.9% /72 financing as well as a 10,000 off MSRP, it seemed like a pretty good decision. Until I started poking around this forum.

I must say, this truck or drivetrain configuraton sure seems to have it's fair share of issues. From the 12v battery problem, to other threads talking about power loss on acceleration and potentially being a transmission replacement, stating that I'm getting cold feet may be an understatement. I am supposed to go pick up the truck on Saturday, but not sure I should now.

I spent enough time on automotive forums to know that people generally only complain about problems, and the vast majority of owners that are happy with their purchase never make a peep.

Just trying to get a general idea of overall ownership satisfaction, and anything else I should be aware of before Ford has me by the fruits.

I'm perfectly fine with replacing/upgrading the 12v battery, but if this truck needs a transmission shortly after purchase, I'll make sure it stalls on some train tracks.

Any advise, comments, encouragement, or flaming are all welcome. Thank you

 

[Vater]

1st post here, and 1st F150 (maybe)

I recently put a deposit down on a 2023 Lariat Powerboost 502A. This was a service loaner and has 1100 miles on it. Wanting to capitalize on the 1.9% /72 financing as well as a 10,000 off MSRP, it seemed like a pretty good decision. Until I started poking around this forum.

I must say, this truck or drivetrain configuraton sure seems to have it's fair share of issues. From the 12v battery problem, to other threads talking about power loss on acceleration and potentially being a transmission replacement, stating that I'm getting cold feet may be an understatement. I am supposed to go pick up the truck on Saturday, but not sure I should now.

I spent enough time on automotive forums to know that people generally only complain about problems, and the vast majority of owners that are happy with their purchase never make a peep.

Just trying to get a general idea of overall ownership satisfaction, and anything else I should be aware of before Ford has me by the fruits.

I'm perfectly fine with replacing/upgrading the 12v battery, but if this truck needs a transmission shortly after purchase, I'll make sure it stalls on some train tracks.

Any advise, comments, encouragement, or flaming are all welcome. Thank you

Have a 2021 PB Limited. It’s been absolutely exemplary and with Zero problems other than I put a better battery in it than the OEM. Great vehicle!

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