Replacing oil pan in 2021 5.0 4x4 due to dealership stripping threads out

[ws11]

For anyone wondering bc i couldn’t find any info on the 14 gens, this is what I’ve learned the last two days changing the oil pan out. To change out the oil pan u have to completely take out your diff (not just lower it, and u gotta pull ur cv axles to get the diff out). And you also have to completely pull the steering rack. It’s not a terrible job, although very time consuming and you better have a buddy to help you get the diff back in bc trying to jack it up into place is damn impossible. I practically had to bench press the diff at an angle to get it in properly. God bless the next man who has to do this job. It is a good opportunity to do a lot of easy maintenance on the bottom end of the engine tho while ur down there and have all that junk out of the way. I also put a fumoto drain plug in so I never have this issue again.
The dealership wanted to charge me $2600 for after they stripped out my oil drain plug. Long story short the dealership pretty much told me to f**k off and said they’d help me out and do it for $1600. It was only $200 worth of parts….

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[TexasTruck]

Damn sorry you had to go through all that, wow. Did the dealership do all of your oil changes? If so, it seems more likely they did it than you and is on record. Even if you did one yourself. I hate to say it, but this is another reason I do my own oil changes. That oil drain plug is like 19in/lbs of torque, that’s it.

 

[FaaWrenchBndr]

Another reason to change your own damn oil. They use people that barely have enough knowledge to air up a tire…..a poor decision

 

[Polo08816]

Damn sorry you had to go through all that, wow. Did the dealership do all of your oil changes? If so, it seems more likely they did it than you and is on record. Even if you did one yourself. I hate to say it, but this is another reason I do my own oil changes. That oil drain plug is like 19in/lbs of torque, that’s it.

19 inch lbs?

 

[ws11]

Damn sorry you had to go through all that, wow. Did the dealership do all of your oil changes? If so, it seems more likely they did it than you and is on record. Even if you did one yourself. I hate to say it, but this is another reason I do my own oil changes. That oil drain plug is like 19in/lbs of torque, that’s it.

I had just bought the truck and I took it to them for the first oil change I had done on it. Could’ve been done before and sealed somehow but it wasn’t leaking before. Wasn’t worth arguing with them as they didn’t seem they wanted to help after being called out on a mistake. Learned a lot on the job, that’s for sure lol

 

[Mt.F150..]

For anyone wondering bc i couldn’t find any info on the 14 gens, this is what I’ve learned the last two days changing the oil pan out. To change out the oil pan u have to completely take out your diff (not just lower it, and u gotta pull ur cv axles to get the diff out). And you also have to completely pull the steering rack. It’s not a terrible job, although very time consuming and you better have a buddy to help you get the diff back in bc trying to jack it up into place is damn impossible. I practically had to bench press the diff at an angle to get it in properly. God bless the next man who has to do this job. It is a good opportunity to do a lot of easy maintenance on the bottom end of the engine tho while ur down there and have all that junk out of the way. I also put a fumoto drain plug in so I never have this issue again.
The dealership wanted to charge me $2600 for after they stripped out my oil drain plug. Long story short the dealership pretty much told me to f**k off and said they’d help me out and do it for $1600. It was only $200 worth of parts….

Sounds like it was a nightmare

 

[JCsTruck]

Yep, I am back to changing my own oil again and since the F-150 with the 5.0 V8 is the easiest vehicle I have ever changed oil on it is not a big deal. I don’t even need to jack up the truck .

Many times in the past I would say its not worth changing my own oil and I would pay a dealer to do it and then when I was inspecting things after, I would find rags left in the engine bay, bottom covers with screws stripped or missing and hanging, or scratches on my fenders and oil stains from dirty hands on my door panel and interior parts.

It is a dirty job that doesn't pay well so who wants to do that job. There are some good mechanics out there that take pride in their work but they are hard to find and they are probably doing more important mechanical work too.

The only vehicle I wont change the oil on is my wife’s Kia Telluride. I did that a couple of times and wont do that one again. That plastic cartridge oil filter thing is a terrible design. I just hope they don't screw that car up while they are in there and then try and charge me hundreds of dollars to fix it. That engine also uses about 1 to 2 courts of oil every 5k miles. When it was new it used 1 quart every 1000 miles.

 

[Tim]

The experience described by ws11 has led me to provide an account of my experience with a stripped oil drain plug repair.

I’m retired. Being retired after many years of getting up and going to work leaves one with a lot of time to fill so I sometimes buy an old car to work on.

My most recent purchase was a 2006 Honda Accord with a six cylinder engine and a six speed manual transmission. I bought the car with a manual transmission because sometimes a man has got to shift gears and work a clutch.

First operation was an oil change.

When I crawled under the car to look for the drain, there was a paint marker note on the bottom of the oil pan saying that the drain plug had been repaired. That note notwithstanding, there was still oil dripping from the plug.

As with the description by ws11, replacing the oil pan would involve serious dis-assembly of various components including the removal of the the exhaust pipe.

Exhaust pipe removal would more than likely involve broken studs, drilling, exasperation, swearing and other operations that would take a lot of time and money.

I looked for methods to remove rusted bolts on the internet and checked out an induction heater on Amazon but nothing seemed reasonable for what I wanted to do.

More research led me to something called Time-Sert which would allow me to replace the stripped threads in the oil pan with a threaded insert similar to heli-coil. Unlike heli-coil, the time-sert had a solid threaded insert with a shoulder that prevented the insert from going too far into the oil pan.

The original repair was accomplished by using an over-sized drain plug that cut new threads in the oil pan. The new threads opened the drain plug hole so that the inside diameter was .007 of an inch less than the maximum opening size required for use of the time-sert. Any larger of an opening would require changing the oil pan.

For the Honda, all drilling, threading and seating operations were done by hand using wrenches, finger pressure and eyeball alignment because of the limited space.

Drilling would have been daunting but since there was only .007 of an inch to remove and the drill provided was wicked sharp I was able to drill the opening by hand using a ratcheting box wrench.

After cutting the threads and even with grease on the tap and drill to catch shavings, I poured a couple quarts of oil through the engine to wash out any shavings that might have remained.

The fix was good, no leaks from the insert but I installed a Fumoto valve to prevent any further possibility of the drain plug being overtightened or stripped

The time-sert kit came with three inserts so I was able to sell the kit with the remaining two inserts on eBay for a few dollars less that I paid for it.

Time-sert kits come in various sizes so might be an option if your drain plug threads are stripped.

 

[Tilstad]

Also installed a Fumoto for my first oil change at 2000 miles on my -25. No more getting vehicles screwed up by amateur mechanics.

It's just been too many things in my 54 years, repeatedly have to go back and finish or repair what the mechanics have screwed up.


Can't even trust the car wash, had a show muscle car with $6,000 custom rims and they proceeded to spray them with a degreaser so acidic it made the brand new lug nuts rust instantly.

The list is VERY long, won't bore you with all the details, but let's just say I no longer have any faith in an oilchange place.

I don't really want to do my own oil changes. But I want my vehicle to not be touched and screwed up by imbeciles.

The Fumoto makes that a whole lot easier, also setup a bulk oil dispenser system in my garage stocked with OEM filters for all our vehicles, the correct viscosities, perfect fit filter tools, and click-fit no mess funnels. A total breeze to do the changes now vs before.

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