Ford removing Copilot Active 2.0 on 2022 orders

[STM]

Makes sense, and I figured that was probably the reason to an extent. You’d think that people in charge would have a fire lit under their asses in order or leverage change to ease the issue, but I guess not. The computer industry has done much better in terms of managing the constraints.

It's not as simple as people in charge getting a fire lit up on their backside... The thing is.. This shortage in the automotive, appliance etc industries is a temporary one created more by Covid than a permanent increase in demand.. If you look at it, the demand for cars hasn't gone up significantly.. The supply has been constrained..

Under these circumstances, if they invest in new capacity, then in a couple of years, there will be a surplus capacity.. Which will lead to price reductions and decreased profitability for years to come.. So the manufacturers are reluctant to make the investments..

As the covid related constraints ease up, things in the automotive industry should get back to normal with about the existing capacity..

Again, while it appears like the computer industry / chip fabs for computers have done better.. The thing to consider there is.. The life cycle of computer equipment.. At 3 to 5 years is a lot shorter than the 10 plus years in the automotive industry... So it makes sense to keep investing more in the fabs that supply the computer industry... Because, the demand in the computer industry grows much faster than the demand in the automotive industry plus.. The quantities there are far higher!

So there are smart people running both sides of the chip manufacturing businesses.. Just that it is a lot more profitable to invest in the computer side than the automotive side..

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[Mtnman1]

Not all chips are the same. Some types are more constrained than others. At our work, we make heavy use of GPUs and specialized network and storage controllers. Some of those are really hard to get right now.

I'm guessing that BlueCruise needs chips of a different type than say a wiper controller.

Dont waste your time. He is right, the world is wrong.

 

[MonsterTrucker75]

When I saw the co-pilot assist Forscan thread, I was like “no way”, then the mad lads did it…

I’m surprised to see this feature being removed, but I think it may have something with Ford starting with Android Automotive and the coming death of SYNC.

I would hope not to see Android Automotive anywhere near F-150 models for many years to come. The SYNC system as does the job it needs to as long as the system is being properly supported. I don’t see the point of implementing a different platform unless it is an immediate drastic improvement, and provides a 200% assurance while allowing all 2021-2022 buyers to update their vehicles at no charge to them without needing to wait.

I just received my 2022, and the last thing I want to hear about is any consideration of changing features, components or lack of support when things have been working fine with SYNC for me. I don’t believe SYNC is the sole issue here, but rather the support structure behind it if any. I can’t say I am excited to see a joint venture between Google and Ford, and do hope for major delays.

 

[HawkeyeOD]

Dont waste your time. He is right, the world is wrong.

I’m perfectly capable of understanding the differences between chips.

The point I’m trying to make, which you apparently are incapable of grasping, is that it doesn’t make much sense that the industry is able to ramp production in certain areas that are more advanced while less advanced chips (like the ones that control systems in vehicles) seemingly sit the same way as they were 2 years ago. That in conjunction with a push to a per order purchasing model, among other things is just a little suspect and anyone with any sense should raise their eyebrows at least a little bit.

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[Aron]

But clowns like you with overinflated self worth are usually slow to understand.

Please stop with the personal attacks. It's not helping your point.

 

[PMMePizza]

This is very unprofessional! I wait 8 months to get what I want! Now they decide to Delete Blue Cruise and other Options! They cannot do this!!!! We have Price Protected and an order confirmation sheet from the original sale! I find it hard to believe Granger Ford trying cheat the customers! They know the order can be roll over until all materials have been secured. Granger ford wants us to cancel your order so they will still receive the truck and sale at higher price! It's all about the money!

I highly doubt this has anything to do with Granger. This is entirely Ford corporates doing. They don't have enough materials to complete the 2022 trucks as ordered so they're scrambling to cut options from certain trucks.

And just like last year, if you don't get built in 2022, you won't be price protected.

That's why I said, only two options. Suck it up and accept it or cancel your order and switch brands.

I ended up sucking it up and accepting it because at Grangers insane discount I could turn around and sell the truck to a local dealer for more if I wanted. Which is an entirely different problem but since it benefits me, I won't delve into it

 

[Moe7]

And just like last year, if you don't get built in 2022, you won't be price protected.

That's why I said, only two options. Suck it up and accept it or cancel your order and switch brands.

I ended up sucking it up and accepting it because at Grangers insane discount I could turn around and sell the truck to a local dealer for more if I wanted.

A 3rd option is waiting to see how Ford handles the incompatible orders at the end of the MY. At a minimum, I would expect some sort of PCO to partially offset the price difference rolling into a MY23, but that is a huge unknown, and I don't like Ford's surprises at this point. Also, as you suggested before, I don't see BlueCruise being available for the first half of MY23 either, so what's the point in waiting.

I'm likely accepting my fate and just deleting the Active package as well, but waiting a few more days to see what feedback a few others may receive from regional reps.

 

[PMMePizza]

I may be wrong, but I have only seen Granger ford
removing Copilot Active 2.0 on 2022 high in models orders? If I'm Wrong I will apologize.

No, it's been across the board on all trims below 502A. It just so happens that a lot of people who are on the waiting list for production on this forum ordered through Granger Ford. And that Granger Ford happens to communicate well with their customers so they're finding out about it early.

I went car shopping this weekend in an attempt to see if I could find anything on the lot I wanted and the dodge dealer said he had FIVE people come in pissed off about losing bluecruise and wanting to buy a Dodge instead.

The lincoln dealer I went to also confirmed that they were losing bluecruise on most models besides top trim navigators

 

[PMMePizza]

A 3rd option is waiting to see how Ford handles the incompatible orders at the end of the MY. At a minimum, I would expect some sort of PCO to partially offset the price difference rolling into a MY23, but that is a huge unknown, and I don't like Ford's surprises at this point. Also, as you suggested before, I don't see BlueCruise being available for the first half of MY23 either, so what's the point in waiting.

I'm likely accepting my fate and just deleting the Active package as well, but waiting a few more days to see what feedback a few others may receive from regional reps.

Obviously this situation is slightly different than the end of 2021, but those guys got FUCKED and got no price protection and got shuffled to the back of the line again with all the other people.

Now if I was pushed due to a commodity problem I would hope Ford would do something to offset that, but at this point, I don't trust anything.

 

[CHUCK12]

No, it's been across the board on all trims below 502A. It just so happens that a lot of people who are on the waiting list for production on this forum ordered through Granger Ford. And that Granger Ford happens to communicate well with their customers so they're finding out about it early.

I went car shopping this weekend in an attempt to see if I could find anything on the lot I wanted and the dodge dealer said he had FIVE people come in pissed off about losing bluecruise and wanting to buy a Dodge instead.

The lincoln dealer I went to also confirmed that they were losing bluecruise on most models besides top trim navigators

I was referring to the King Ranch 601A and the Platinum 701A and the Limited. I know that all 502A and lower have been deleted.

And you are correct Blue cruise and super cruise are just about impossible to find.

I'm just upset after waiting 8 months and watching local dealer getting my same build order. Just don't seem right.

 

[cclark20]

Ford Customer Service 800-392-3673. Said the dealer cannot Mandate Options removals! They want us to have all the options we require, However we might be on a long hold.

Unfortunately Ford's memo on the thread below states otherwise.

https://www.f150gen14.com/forum/threads/2022-f-150-product-offering-changes.10378/

I can confirm on my Platinum sticker with a Blend Date of 11JUN22 that Ford deleted multi-contour seats -$300, Active Park Assist -$365, Max Recline seats, Carmelo Leather changed to Black Leather.

 

[2wheeltraveler]

I’m perfectly capable of understanding the differences between chips.

The point I’m trying to make, which you apparently are incapable of grasping, is that it doesn’t make much sense that the industry is able to ramp production in certain areas that are more advanced while less advanced chips (like the ones that control systems in vehicles) seemingly sit the same way as they were 2 years ago. That in conjunction with a push to a per order purchasing model, among other things is just a little suspect and anyone with any sense should raise their eyebrows at least a little bit.

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Another data point / perspective...

The PC industry is "managing through it" at this point... Apple has long lead times for Enterprise customers, HP is the same and my company is having to adjust what features we include in purchasing to manage price increases and stock availability. Raspberry Pi prices have shot through the roof if you can even find them. Ubiquiti can't keep anything in stock and has even introduced products with less features due to chip shortages. It's not just the chips either, it's transportation, etc. Some of the supply chain issues today still track back to a backlog that was created during the Covid lockdowns when factories were shut down and supply was cut due to a decrease in demand and to date they are still trying to recover. Many new fabs have broke ground around the globe but with 2+ year ramp times, it's not a quick fix. The slowing economy could also stop or delay some of those plans, extending the issue out further.

It's certainly easy for anyone wanting to support either side of this discussion to point to something that backs their claim, but the reality is, there are products affected by the global supply chain issue that people wouldn't even dream of, and it's worse than many people realize. There are products being created today that could be better or different but their designs had to change to accommodate. This one with the auto makers is just more "visible" and "visceral" to consumers than others.

There is a good write up on it here where they specifically call out "basic" chips having a 40 week lead-time.

 

[BRDVPRA]

I hadn't seen a post about this so I figured I'd share what I know.

Chip at Granger reached out to me today to let me know that my truck would require Bluecruise (Copilot Active 2.0) removed in order to be scheduled for production. My options are to remove it (go down to just Copilot Assist 2.0) or cancel my order.

Definitely extremely frustrated with Ford on this one. I regularly contact Ford chat (I ordered on 1/14 and still do not have a VIN) and ask about my order and they've told me again and again that I was unscheduled clean, there was nothing holding my order up. The primary reason I chose Ford was because of the Bluecruise (at the time I ordered, you could not get the GMC with supercruise). I'm still not sure what I'm going to do personally, but I figured I'd let ya'll know that "some" F-150s will be built without this feature.

From Chip

If you can confirm that the copilot assist 2.0 still has the good lane centering, I would go that direction. To me that doesn't make sense it requires the same equipment as bluecruise, etc., but whatever. I don't have bluecruise, but I have the equipment and my truck drives itself all the same.

 

[Snakebitten]

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It's certainly easy for anyone wanting to support either side of this discussion to point to something that backs their claim, but the reality is, there are products affected by the global supply chain issue that people wouldn't even dream of, and it's worse than many people realize. There are products being created today that could be better or different but their designs had to change to accommodate. This one with the auto makers is just more "visible" and "visceral" to consumers than others.

A voice of reason.

 

[mla_anderson]

This whole “chip shortage” narrative is such a crock at this point. Especially when you look at the production of computer hardware - it’s basically back to normal now. The “shortage” narrative was just leveraged to justify inflating prices for almost 2 years straight.

Unfortunately you are very wrong here. Consumer chips have fewer constraints mostly because they are easy to design out. Automotive and industrial rated chips are more limited and are very hard to get.

Last year my team spent more than 50% of our time on finding solutions to the part shortage instead of doing new product design. Our industry isn’t automotive, but we still need to use the same components. This year we expect to spend 75% of our time solving the same problems. Many times the solution is to give our customers 80% of what they wanted.

I wish you were right, because it is very demoralizing for engineers to spend their days putting out supply chain fires. We want to be developing new stuff. But there’s not even enough parts to prototype new designs, much less bring them to production.

This shortage will likely continue into 2024, and automotive and industrial quality chips will be the hardest hit. Defeatured product is going to be a thing into the 2025 model year at least.

The good news is plants are being built here in the US to ease the pressure. The bad news is it takes a couple years to bring them online.

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