Ford removing Copilot Active 2.0 on 2022 orders

[DANJENS]

Just of note with production for a complex machine. Orders will not be first in first out. No production with a product as varied as an F-150 will be produced that way. They will not build a Platinum Black PB with BAP, 5.5 bed and a host of other options and the next truck is an XL 5.0 White with and 8' bed. They build in "clumps" of similar vehicles so they can get the correct tooling and parts lined up to keep the assembly line moving. You want your workers to do similar repetitive actions for as long a period of time as you can to help improve the overall quality.

I am sure there is clumping but I would recommend you take the River rouge factory tour some time if you get the chance.

They literally will have lined up a Limited, Lariat, Platinum and Tremor on the same line at the same time followed by a couple more lariats and an XLT , a platinum........ THEY ARE ALL INTERMIXED. It runs like this all day every time I have been there. I love the tour. Some with 5.O others powerboost. Some with BAP and moonroofs others get a B&O unleashed. All the individual parts are loaded in order and it is cool to see the workers change from one truck to the next. It is amazing that they can keep all the different variables in order and tooled up. (Computers know everything) Ford has bragged about their ability to do this for years. They even have a laser light show and movie about it when you take the River Rouge factory tour. I take a lot of friends to see it when they come to Detroit.

A slightly different note.. At least when I say 1st-in 1st-out I am asking (within commodity restraints) for vehicles of the same trim and package to be produced in order that their order was received by Ford. I think with commodity restraints Ford should produce the 1st truck with combination XYZ that was placed when XYZ come available together. They don't. They have an allocation system for dealers that works when production times are quick and commodities roll freely but I think they should have abandoned that over a year ago under the auspice of getting customers their vehicles as fast as possible as fairly as possible.

When they build multiple 701A platinum smoked quartz powerboost SCREWs in January, February, or March for guys who ordered in November and this is 3 months before a guy gets scheduled who ordered a plain jane 701A PB plat in August? That's ridiculous! But it happens....

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[DANJENS]

Where did you see Ford advertising a 4-6 month lead time? I’m not saying you’re wrong; I just haven’t seen it. To be honest, I don’t know that I’ve ever seen a Ford advertisement mentioning retail orders at all—it’s always directing you “to your local Ford dealer.”

I agree. Ford promises nothing. Some dealers are up front and in my experience some aren't. None can promise anything except that they can't be sure.

 

[PatchManager]

Nice Rant!

Thank you. It was just a rant because Ford isn't going to change anytime soon, and I'm still not canceling my order unless they decide to remove more features before it gets built, which is still a good possibility. This situation reminds me of the 80's song, "I hate myself for loving you."

 

[DANJENS]

Warning Major Cheese fest of nostalgia from an Ol Fart.

I Love the 80's reference. It would sum up my feelings about this whole journey to quote song titles as follows.

As you wonder if there is something "in the air tonight", remember "everybody wants to rule the world."

Ask yourself has this Journey been a "thriller"? Do you stay up "all night long" checking forums and trackers? Or read about further delays and "Jump" to say "its the end of the world as we know it,"
Have you alternated between "Liv'n on a prayer" and, "Free fallin"
Prayin to your dealer, "call me"

"Time after time" you may ask, Ford, "Do you really wanna hurt me?", or ask yourself "should I stay or should I go "? You wonder if you will have a "total eclipse of the heart" because the forums stoke that "tainted love" .

But with "Every breath you take" you remember "the power of Love " and think of your unscheduled clean order saying, "Don't stop beleivin' " "Never gonna give you up" and Ford "don't you forget about me" just "Take on me" cause, you "wanna be startin' somethin' "
Don't slow the line down but "whip it"! "Push it " real good!

I tell myself, " you're not "Forever Young" but In the end you will wait "Hungry like the wolf" for your turn to drive your truck and think "sweet child of mine"

 

[ShadowFox]

Update, I am unscheduled clean with a 402A and co pilot active 2.0, subject to change of course with the way things are, but thought I’d let you guys know.

 

[jz777]

Again, no one here really cares about what your job (no name desk jockey) is or who your “supplier” is. Or what your super l33t company buys and in what dollar amount. The point is that there is a narrative mismatch when it comes to the auto industry.

I care….

 

[FrankThompson]

I understand what you're trying to say, but the way Ford is handling the communication of the issue is not acceptable. I run a manufacturing plant here in the US, and we're struggling with all kinds of commodity issues, so I'm sympathetic.

But if I pulled what Ford is pulling with me with my customers? I wouldn't have customers anymore. You can't just tell someone you can deliver a product and then change your mind 5 months later (when the advertised lead time for a complete product is "4-6" months).

Besides my dealer, Ford has emailed me once in the entire 5 month waiting process to tell me they hadn't forgotten about my order. That's it. That's just not acceptable in my book. I understand that they're facing supply chain problems, but they need to communicate that when you're dropping $70k on a truck. I have customers calling me freaking daily for updates on orders that are less than $400 . . . Is that too much? Yes. But 5 months with no updates at all is just not ok.

I don't know what industry you're in, but if you have distributors, do you tell the distributor there are slow downs/delays or do you tell the end users who may get them from the distributors?

To me it would fall on the dealer to keep you informed. I've heard good things about Granger doing that, but honestly I've never ordered a car custom, so have zero experience in this. I'm not sure why people expect Ford themselves to keep buyers up to date. Ford should keep the Dealers up to date and allow the dealers to keep the buyers.

It is cool that they may give updates on on the progress (Here's your VIN, You're not scheduled on X, etc), but if there is going to be delays, it's far easier or Ford to notify all the Dealers and have them contact any buyers that may be affected. It seems that very little do that, but that is how it is.

For example, If I custom order (or pre-order) a cool new Google phone from Best Buy and for some reason Google has to delay that process, should Google let me know or Best buy? I would expect to hear from the latter as I don't really expect Google to communicate that out to all people waiting for orders. Let the Distributors (dealers) know and let them communicate to the users.

But again, I've never ordered a car like that so maybe it operates completely different and there are different expectations.

 

[Kodiak]

Here is the way all my other orders have gone. Walked in and ordered a truck or car and put a down payment down on it. Dealer says 12 to 16 weeks at least. Dealer says don't call us we'll call you. 12 to 18 weeks later the dealer calls and says your truck or car is in. No tracking websites, no emails, no window sticker ahead of time, don't call us we'll call you when it is in.

 

[Snakebitten]

Seems we can squelch the idea that the Lightning is stealing all the goodies from our F150 assembly line?

https://fordauthority.com/2022/06/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-trucks-fill-up-michigan-parking-lot/

 

[DANJENS]

Seems we can squelch the idea that the Lightning is stealing all the goodies from our F150 assembly line?

https://fordauthority.com/2022/06/2022-ford-f-150-lightning-trucks-fill-up-michigan-parking-lot/

Just to play the devils advocate for a minute.

On initial glance I would say you were right. Then on thinking about it we made a logical leap or assumption that I don't think there is evidence for or against here.

Given: Ford has Lightnings sitting in a lot (but we don't know for sure what they are for. " Sources familiar with the matter have told Ford Authority that it’s unclear if these 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning pickups are customer models, test fleets, or something else entirely. ")

Now let's just ASSUME that they really are unfinished and waiting for a chip.

Given the info in this article we can jump to a conclusion that it is because they aren't being "stolen" or reprioritized/taken from ICE lines and are going into ICE trucks

or that they aren't stealing anything since there isn't anything to steal.

We can also just as easily jump to the conclusion that they took all of this weeks chips from the ICE backlog and still came up short 50 lightning chips.

I know I can jump to conclusions. But that doesn't mean we can't give a gentle ribbing to others for doing that too.

 

[AutonomousHybridF150]

Warning Major Cheese fest of nostalgia from an Ol Fart.

I Love the 80's reference. It would sum up my feelings about this whole journey to quote song titles as follows.

As you wonder if there is something "in the air tonight", remember "everybody wants to rule the world."

Ask yourself has this Journey been a "thriller"? Do you stay up "all night long" checking forums and trackers? Or read about further delays and "Jump" to say "its the end of the world as we know it,"
Have you alternated between "Liv'n on a prayer" and, "Free fallin"
Prayin to your dealer, "call me"

"Time after time" you may ask, Ford, "Do you really wanna hurt me?", or ask yourself "should I stay or should I go "? You wonder if you will have a "total eclipse of the heart" because the forums stoke that "tainted love" .

But with "Every breath you take" you remember "the power of Love " and think of your unscheduled clean order saying, "Don't stop beleivin' " "Never gonna give you up" and Ford "don't you forget about me" just "Take on me" cause, you "wanna be startin' somethin' "
Don't slow the line down but "whip it"! "Push it " real good!

I tell myself, " you're not "Forever Young" but In the end you will wait "Hungry like the wolf" for your turn to drive your truck and think "sweet child of mine"

This is exactly how I felt purchasing PB with BC Prep in Jan 2021, and waiting on Ford’s promise of OTA update to finally receive BlueCruise by 2nd quarter, and then waiting an entire 12 months extra.

Oh yeah… and any time I bring my Ford into a Ford service dept.

 

[oneinch]

Chip at Granger reached out to me today to let me know that my truck would require Bluecruise (Copilot Active 2.0) removed in order to be scheduled for production. My options are to remove it (go down to just Copilot Assist 2.0) or cancel my order.

Hear me know and believe me later. BlueCruise isn't all you are thinking it is. You won't miss this feature so long as you have adaptive cruise control and lane centering*. The truck can "self drive" without BlueCruise. Self driving with BlueCruise costs money. Self driving without BlueCruise is free. If w/o BlueCruise isn't an equal driving experience to BlueCruise, then it is 98-99% the identical experience. To really grasp what I'm saying you really need the luxury of driving both. I have. My Maverick self drives without BlueCruise and it is superior to my BlueCruise equipped F150.

* I say this with the assumption that trucks without BlueCruise do not come equipped with the nanny cam either.

 

[PMMePizza]

Hear me know and believe me later. BlueCruise isn't all you are thinking it is. You won't miss this feature so long as you have adaptive cruise control and lane centering*. The truck can "self drive" without BlueCruise. Self driving with BlueCruise costs money. Self driving without BlueCruise is free. If w/o BlueCruise isn't an equal driving experience to BlueCruise, then it is 98-99% the identical experience. To really grasp what I'm saying you really need the luxury of driving both. I have. My Maverick self drives without BlueCruise and it is superior to my BlueCruise equipped F150.

* I say this with the assumption that trucks without BlueCruise do not come equipped with the nanny cam either.

I ended up getting blue cruise and I actually love it. I wouldn't want the truck without it tbh.

 

[nomarhits400]

I ended up getting blue cruise and I actually love it. I wouldn't want the truck without it tbh.

Don't' want to speak for oneinch- but I think what he's saying is that most of what you love about blue cruise IS the adaptive cruise and lane centering? 'Course- you may still disagree with that!

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