Transmission ECU Adaptive Learning - Quick question?

[backcountryplatinum]

Isn't adaptive learning continuously ongoing? It doesn't just learn for XX miles and then lock into those settings. Correct?

I had the same question but nobody has confirmed or debunked

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[Snakebitten]

Thanks @Snakebitten. I have the Powerboost as well and almost never drive in Sport Mode so I didn't even know the no EV. When do you typically find it useful day to day to be in Sport Mode? I use Eco and normal.

Sounds like a good idea if I clear the tables and then do one of my drives from Alberta to Montana. All sorts of start stop and places to fully accelerate and decelerate. Good feedback on using the Sport mode for that.

I am in Normal mode 95% of the time. But I use Sport Mode if/when the Adaptive Tables are cleared. For the anecdotal reasons I described earlier.
I am personally convinced that once the truck has "relearned", or repopulate the tables with the applicable values, and I switch back to daily/normal, that I like the shifting quality of the 10r80 better than I did when I just used Normal mode to learn.

I can't answer definitively if the fully populated Adaptive Table values are static or permanent until they are cleared again.
But I do think once the values are populated after being cleared, the transmission settles along with the procedure being completed. Learning doesn't feeeeel like it lasts more than a few miles/key cycles.

 

[backcountryplatinum]

I am in Normal mode 95% of the time. But I use Sport Mode if/when the Adaptive Tables are cleared. For the anecdotal reasons I described earlier.
I am personally convinced that once the truck has "relearned", or repopulate the tables with the applicable values, and I switch back to daily/normal, that I like the shifting quality of the 10r80 better than I did when I just used Normal mode to learn.

I can't answer definitively if the fully populated Adaptive Table values are static or permanent until they are cleared again.
But I do think once the values are populated after being cleared, the transmission settles along with the procedure being completed. Learning doesn't feeeeel like it lasts more than a few miles/key cycles.

Have you had any wrenches come up when clearing in forscan? Or pretty simple procedure.

I have done a bunch of mods in forscan with *knock on wood* no issues. Worried I am pushing my luck... Or is this one relatively simple and harmless.

When you say you go for a 50 mile drive, is that in city? A mix? Just getting some mileage down and driving normally?

 

[Snakebitten]

Have you had any wrenches come up when clearing in forscan? Or pretty simple procedure.

I have done a bunch of mods in forscan with *knock on wood* no issues. Worried I am pushing my luck... Or is this one relatively simple and harmless.

When you say you go for a 50 mile drive, is that in city? A mix? Just getting some mileage down and driving normally?

I stated 50 miles because it basically represents my daily commute + a couple of errands. And for me, that's a nice mix of stop/go and some gentle 50mph cruising as well.

The factory service manual actually provides a paragraph intended for a technician that represents a driving sequence that repopulates the Adaptive Tables before returning the vehicle to the customer.
It also states numerous times, regarding other service procedures that result in clearing the tables, to notify the customer that the vehicle may experience inordinary shifting for a while as it "relearns".

I'll try to find an example of each and post up.

 

[backcountryplatinum]

Thanks. This is it here.
One last thing - any forscan issues or risk with the resetting of tables? Or straight forward.

 

[Snakebitten]

Here's a general blurb regarding the language Ford uses with the technician while discussing clearing and relopulating the Adaptive Tables during transmission service

 

[Snakebitten]

Thanks. This is it here.
One last thing - any forscan issues or risk with the resetting of tables? Or straight forward.

Yep!
Nice find.

I can't think of a single reason to be concerned with clearing the tables.
The shift strategy (programming logic) for the 10r80 doesn't require the Adaptive Tables to manage the transmission. Every truck that comes off the assembly line has empty tables.

 

[backcountryplatinum]

Hey, turns out you can do it on forscan lite. Snakebitten do I just do the Clear transmission tables?

also, there’s a ton of module reboots. Any other worth looking into or stay away? Thanks!

 

[SnareDrum]

What’s the general consensus on the relearn procedure done by the dealer? Does it actually solve the problem long term? I’m asking because my 22’ just went to the dealer for shift issues on 1-3. It fell on its face while shifting gears and then power returned after the shift. Oddest thing it did was shift from 3-4-3 going 25mph, rpm went up to 4200 made some clunking sounds. Mostly did this before operating temp. Dealer says it should be fine, but I haven’t picked it up yet. Glad I bought the 8yr 100k Mile warranty because I’m at 56k right now.

 

[Srptdi]

When first got the truck I hated the transmission. I reset the transmission tables with FORScan and limited the shifting to an 8 speed with progressive shifting for over a month of driving. Now I let the transmission shift on its own and it’s very smooth. Definitely clear the tables and start fresh.

 

[ttnuagmada]

Isn't adaptive learning continuously ongoing? It doesn't just learn for XX miles and then lock into those settings. Correct?

I also think it has a lot less to do with driver habits and more to do with adjusting to pressures/engine power/clutch wear etc. IE it's calibrating to tolerances more than it is driving habits. This especially makes sense when you consider they put it in a bunch of different vehicles. I think Livernois, for example, says to leave it enabled with their tunes so that the transmission can adjust to account for added power.

 

[jh45]

What’s the general consensus on the relearn procedure done by the dealer? Does it actually solve the problem long term? I’m asking because my 22’ just went to the dealer for shift issues on 1-3. It fell on its face while shifting gears and then power returned after the shift. Oddest thing it did was shift from 3-4-3 going 25mph, rpm went up to 4200 made some clunking sounds. Mostly did this before operating temp. Dealer says it should be fine, but I haven’t picked it up yet. Glad I bought the 8yr 100k Mile warranty because I’m at 56k right now.

how did yours turn out the last few days since the reset?
I was going in to buy a 22 this wk and they sent it to get serviced/ I found out the ford dealership reset the adaptive learning. Not sure if I should trust that or move on
Thanks

 

[SnareDrum]

how did yours turn out the last few days since the reset?
I was going in to buy a 22 this wk and they sent it to get serviced/ I found out the ford dealership reset the adaptive learning. Not sure if I should trust that or move on
Thanks

It has been okay, still rough shifts sometimes before the trans gets to operating temp. Once it’s at operating temp it’s totally fine. Dealer claims it can take 1000 miles before the adaptive learning does its thing. They also claim when it’s this cold out (currently 25f here in CT) the transmission ignores adaptive shift tables.

My personal opinion is (and im not qualified for this I just watch Rainman Rays Repairs/FordTech Mac on YouTube and use my common sense to problem solve) even tho they checked the fluid and said it was “ok” with me having 57k miles on this truck and it being so cold the mileage of the trans fluid and cold weather effect on the viscosity is making it shift hard because once it’s warm it’s fine. Truck didn’t do this last winter or when I got it in 22’. Ford recommends a fluid exchange at 60k miles which I’m gonna do and will report back.

 

[Snakebitten]

Ford recommends a fluid exchange at 60k miles which I’m gonna do and will report back.

I wish Ford recommended a transmission fluid exchange at 60K. Then I could easily defend cutting that interval in half, similar to the 10,000 mile oil change interval.

But that's not what they recommend for the 10r80

 

[SnareDrum]

I wish Ford recommended a transmission fluid exchange at 60K. Then I could easily defend cutting that interval in half, similar to the 10,000 mile oil change interval.

But that's not what they recommend for the 10r80

Let me clarify, I asked the service department at the dealer I go to and they said they (their service department) are recommending it be done at 60k.

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