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Generally I'm pretty good at searching, maybe I'm just using the wrong wording, but I cannot find any mention of this "issue" I'm having.

I have a 2023 Lariat with the regular B&O (no over-head speakers). The center channel is obviously louder than the rest of the speakers, and it's volume does not seem to scale with the other speakers. I'll try to paint you a picture of what I mean.

Get in the truck, AA connects and Spotify starts playing something, how about some Rise Against, volume is at 5. At this volume level, we'll say 95% of the sound is coming from the center channel alone. You can't hear anything from all the other speakers unless you close your eyes and think about it. Its not loud at 5, but it's as if there is a bluetooth speaker just sitting on the dash by itself. About what it sounds like.

Then a song comes on we know all the words of, and we turn the volume to 15 (half-way whatever that is, I think its 15). The door speakers are now louder than they were (duh) and the center is louder than it was, but they still aren't equal to each other. At this volume let's say is feels like 60% of the volume is from the center and 40% from everything else combined.

My 11yo daughter sitting in the back says she can't hear anything from the rear speakers, which do work if you get out go open the doors and stick your head next to them. Sound does come out, just not much. She says, and I confirm, when sitting in the back, all she can hear is the center channel. I've tried moving the fader around, but that thing is just about useless. If I move the fader to full rear, the front center is still louder than the rears by themselves. Its like Fade doesn't affect the center at all, its just for the doors? If I turn the volume up above the mid point, while also being quite loud in there, its almost even-ish but also far too loud to have a conversation with anyone.

I've changed the radio setting from "Surround" to "Stereo" and back, this doesn't seem to do anything substantial either. I think something is changing, but couldn't tell you what, its so marginal. Its like, there's a cross-over wired wrong somewhere and every signal above the lows is routed and mixed into the one center, so there's no bass at all and everything is mono.

Is the amplifier just weak/not great and can't drive the door speakers? Is the center just far more sensitive? Do I have a setting goobered somewhere? If I disconnect the center speaker, would that let the doors have more power?

Thoughts are appreciated, if this is already answered somewhere I haven't found just yet, link if you please.
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In many vehicles these days I set the fader about 25% to the rear. Doesn't address the issue fully, but it helps.
 

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Common issue with the B&O systems.......both the regular and the Unleashed. Swap out the rear door 2-way speaker with some aftermarket ones for a vast improvement over the stock ones; just don't get speakers what require high wattage so the stock system can power them accordingly.

In my case, I removed the the rear 2-way speakers and added components to the rear doors. I also bought another set of components to replace the front door speaker and a-pillar tweeter. It made a HUGE difference. I can hear my rear door speakers now and the sound stage is a lot more balanced. The front speakers and center channel are still dominant, but you can hear the rear door speakers without playing with the balance.
 
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Common issue with the B&O systems.......both the regular and the Unleashed. Swap out the rear door 2-way speaker with some aftermarket ones for a vast improvement over the stock ones; just don't get speakers what require high wattage so the stock system can power them accordingly.

In my case, I removed the the rear 2-way speakers and added components to the rear doors. I also bought another set of components to replace the front door speaker and a-pillar tweeter. It made a HUGE difference. I can hear my rear door speakers now and the sound stage is a lot more balanced. The front speakers and center channel are still dominant, but you can hear the rear door speakers without playing with the balance.
So yours was like mine until you changed out the speakers? Didn't need to change anything else?
 

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Nothing else. I wanted to see how it sounded just replacing the door speakers before ripping everything out and going full aftermarket. I have two 12" subs in there too with a separate amp and it keeps up with the extra bass fairly well.
 
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Alright, I'm sold. Back to the speaker threads then. Thank you.
 

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Generally I'm pretty good at searching, maybe I'm just using the wrong wording, but I cannot find any mention of this "issue" I'm having.

I have a 2023 Lariat with the regular B&O (no over-head speakers). The center channel is obviously louder than the rest of the speakers, and it's volume does not seem to scale with the other speakers. I'll try to paint you a picture of what I mean.

Get in the truck, AA connects and Spotify starts playing something, how about some Rise Against, volume is at 5. At this volume level, we'll say 95% of the sound is coming from the center channel alone. You can't hear anything from all the other speakers unless you close your eyes and think about it. Its not loud at 5, but it's as if there is a bluetooth speaker just sitting on the dash by itself. About what it sounds like.

Then a song comes on we know all the words of, and we turn the volume to 15 (half-way whatever that is, I think its 15). The door speakers are now louder than they were (duh) and the center is louder than it was, but they still aren't equal to each other. At this volume let's say is feels like 60% of the volume is from the center and 40% from everything else combined.

My 11yo daughter sitting in the back says she can't hear anything from the rear speakers, which do work if you get out go open the doors and stick your head next to them. Sound does come out, just not much. She says, and I confirm, when sitting in the back, all she can hear is the center channel. I've tried moving the fader around, but that thing is just about useless. If I move the fader to full rear, the front center is still louder than the rears by themselves. Its like Fade doesn't affect the center at all, its just for the doors? If I turn the volume up above the mid point, while also being quite loud in there, its almost even-ish but also far too loud to have a conversation with anyone.

I've changed the radio setting from "Surround" to "Stereo" and back, this doesn't seem to do anything substantial either. I think something is changing, but couldn't tell you what, its so marginal. Its like, there's a cross-over wired wrong somewhere and every signal above the lows is routed and mixed into the one center, so there's no bass at all and everything is mono.

Is the amplifier just weak/not great and can't drive the door speakers? Is the center just far more sensitive? Do I have a setting goobered somewhere? If I disconnect the center speaker, would that let the doors have more power?

Thoughts are appreciated, if this is already answered somewhere I haven't found just yet, link if you please.
Thanks
Mine is the same way. I used the fader to direct 90% of the sound in the rear. It's balanced with Sirius but when I use Spotify over Bluetooth the balance is thrown off. Very odd. Keep us posted on your choices if you decide to go aftermarket speakers.
 
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Mine is the same way. I used the fader to direct 90% of the sound in the rear. It's balanced with Sirius but when I use Spotify over Bluetooth the balance is thrown off. Very odd. Keep us posted on your choices if you decide to go aftermarket speakers.

You're saying yours sounds different based on the source? I've only ever used Spotify over Android Auto. They made me setup the Ford app at the dealer, which helped itself to connecting all the things, and automatically starts AA every time, so I just haven't used anything else.

I'll have to try the FM radio and see if it does this now too.

I Don't even know if they activated the Satellite radio or not, they might have since I'm getting subscription notices from SiriusXM in the mail, but I was not a fan when it came with my 2019 Miata, I have no intention of ever using it on the truck. But.. that stupid demo channel usually works at least, could see how it sounds.


The sound setup is still pretty weak-sauce, if changing the speakers makes a real difference, and I don't have to do anything crazy stupid like modifying the doors to do it, then I'm probably going to do that (Sorry B&O [not sorry]). But if its something stupid with Spotify or my phone specifically, I definitely want to get that sorted out ?
 

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You're saying yours sounds different based on the source? I've only ever used Spotify over Android Auto. They made me setup the Ford app at the dealer, which helped itself to connecting all the things, and automatically starts AA every time, so I just haven't used anything else.

I'll have to try the FM radio and see if it does this now too.

I Don't even know if they activated the Satellite radio or not, they might have since I'm getting subscription notices from SiriusXM in the mail, but I was not a fan when it came with my 2019 Miata, I have no intention of ever using it on the truck. But.. that stupid demo channel usually works at least, could see how it sounds.


The sound setup is still pretty weak-sauce, if changing the speakers makes a real difference, and I don't have to do anything crazy stupid like modifying the doors to do it, then I'm probably going to do that (Sorry B&O [not sorry]). But if its something stupid with Spotify or my phone specifically, I definitely want to get that sorted out ?
Yes, speaker balance is different from source to source. To add another fold to this, I don't use AA. I think I'm the only person ever to use Sync 4 by itself. Mostly because I can't use the trucks Wifi while using AA. I will check FM balance later on but I'm leaning toward having one of my car audio afficionado buddies change out the speakers.
 
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Yes, speaker balance is different from source to source. To add another fold to this, I don't use AA. I think I'm the only person ever to use Sync 4 by itself. Mostly because I can't use the trucks Wifi while using AA. I will check FM balance later on but I'm leaning toward having one of my car audio afficionado buddies change out the speakers.

every once in a while the Sync will ...idk de-Sync and AA doesn't work because something about the wifi being unavailable, when it was a moment ago.. the messages pop up repeatedly, its fairly annoying. When that happens, it switches to regular bluetooth, which I'm perfectly fine with. But the album art is absolutely terrible.
My Miata has Gracenote and it tries to match the album art, but unless you listen to same most popular things as everyone else, it probably won't have it. I think it's unreasonable to expect the thing to be 100% correct for everything, there's a lot. But sometimes the matches are laughable, the Sync is even worse. It gets them so wrong, I'd rather just not have the artwork at all lol

I don't love AA. It is nice having Maps up on the giant dash tablet, and next turn thing on the dash is pretty great. But otherwise, it just kills my battery, and you can't do simple things like sharing my route with my wife for some reason, which is ridiculous (I've tried to figure it out multiple times, and I could not. I'm also a tech-guy so that makes it extra sad for both of us [looking at you google])
 

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every once in a while the Sync will ...idk de-Sync and AA doesn't work because something about the wifi being unavailable, when it was a moment ago.. the messages pop up repeatedly, its fairly annoying. When that happens, it switches to regular bluetooth, which I'm perfectly fine with. But the album art is absolutely terrible.
My Miata has Gracenote and it tries to match the album art, but unless you listen to same most popular things as everyone else, it probably won't have it. I think it's unreasonable to expect the thing to be 100% correct for everything, there's a lot. But sometimes the matches are laughable, the Sync is even worse. It gets them so wrong, I'd rather just not have the artwork at all lol

I don't love AA. It is nice having Maps up on the giant dash tablet, and next turn thing on the dash is pretty great. But otherwise, it just kills my battery, and you can't do simple things like sharing my route with my wife for some reason, which is ridiculous (I've tried to figure it out multiple times, and I could not. I'm also a tech-guy so that makes it extra sad for both of us [looking at you google])
The album art thing is a bit of a bummer but I also experienced the AA dropping out so between that at not being able to use the Wifi I decided to stick with sync. I'm hoping AA improves enough to convert me back...
 
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The album art thing is a bit of a bummer but I also experienced the AA dropping out so between that at not being able to use the Wifi I decided to stick with sync. I'm hoping AA improves enough to convert me back...

I'm pretty sure AA is supposed to work with USB cable too (or instead?). The head unit in the newer Mazdas don't have wifi, but they allow AA/CP over USB. I think only a few very new ones have the wifi available. So I'd expect there has to be a way for you to use AA/CP without the wifi... hmmm
 
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