Newbie with Powerboost questions

[someday]

how can "max tow" reduce trailer (5th wheel, goose or receiver?)

Adds additional weight which comes directly off of the max payload. Tongue weight is part of the payload. If you have less payload available, you can't tow as large.

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[Snakebitten]

Adds additional weight which comes directly off of the max payload. Tongue weight is part of the payload. If you have less payload available, you can't tow as large.

How much Payload capacity do you think Max Tow costs?
And if you don't choose Max Tow you still have to pick some tow package, so how much Payload capacity does that tow package cost?

Ford publishes exactly how much weight the option adds to curb weight, which is the inverse of how much you lose from Cargo Capacity. (Payload)

I think Max Tow is getting a bogus rap in this and other threads. But I do admit that with a 1/2 ton truck Tow Capacity is misleading because you will run out of Payload long before you run out of tow capacity. At least with RV's as the towed object.

 

[someday]

How much Payload capacity do you think Max Tow costs?
And if you don't choose Max Tow you still have to pick some tow package, so how much Payload capacity does that tow package cost?

Ford publishes exactly how much weight the option adds to curb weight, which is the inverse of how much you lose from Cargo Capacity. (Payload)

I think Max Tow is getting a bogus rap in this and other threads. But I do admit that with a 1/2 ton truck Tow Capacity is misleading because you will run out of Payload long before you run out of tow capacity. At least with RV's as the towed object.

I don't know the exact numbers, but from what I recall, you're getting a heavier bumper and slightly larger rear brakes. There may also be an extra leaf in the rear springs, but I may be confusing that with the HDPP. So there's the extra weight.

The point I've read people making with Max Tow, specific to Powerboosts, is that much of what the package includes for an extra $900 over regular tow, isn't applicable to PBs. They already have the 3.73 e-locker. They have a 30 gallon tank in all configurations, so you don't get the 36 gallon tank.

I think we both agree on towing capacity overall. You get an extra 1400 lb trailer weight with Max Tow, but at 10% tongue weight for a TT, you're already at 1100 lbs if you max out the regular tow package (which would be crazy to begin with), never mind 1240 if you max out the Max Tow. That doesn't leave a lot of payload for everything else.

 

[snyce1]

Hi,
we are seriously looking at a Powerboost. I would like to ask opinions on two things we are debating.

First 6.5 box or 5.5 box?
We currently have a 2018 2.7 Ecoboost with a 6.5 box and super cab. Since the PB comes with Crewcab that will add an extra foot. Or we loose lovely space that we are accustomed to.

Second question, Moonroof or no? All my cars have had moonroofs these past 20+ years and I would miss it.

This will be our only vehicle as we would trade both our F-150 truck and my Prius in on this purchase. We would use this new truck for me to drive to work (DH is retired) and to pull our Travel Trailer and be hurricane back up power!

Thanks!
Heidi
Sarasota, FL

I have new Powerboost w 7.2 kw generator setup. Supercrew cab .

Got every option except sunroof as every ford sunroof ive ever had leaked after few years (northeast pollen and debris always clogs the sunroof channel drains) . Without sunroof tons of headroom and very quiet cabin...
Drives really smooth very powerful . Big problems w generator though . Since day 1 the software for generator periodically says groundfault so turns off all outlets . Reset always fails . Have to leave vehicle off for long time and sometimes it does reset but its anyones guess as to when the generator will actually work. I bought this thing for its generator utility . Ford has no solution for it and a service message that the software update is 6 months away . FORD says "some 2021 F150 Powerboost may be effected " . Ive notified the folks that sold this truck to me , contacted Ford here . Ford Marketing had someone call to say sorry . No compensation ordered for what i consider a LEMON !
what else has mysterious siftware errors ? Adaptive cruise control is periodically unavailable. I would never have bought this truck if i had anticipated this Lemon . Since the truck is not incapacitated,

Hi,
we are seriously looking at a Powerboost. I would like to ask opinions on two things we are debating.

First 6.5 box or 5.5 box?
We currently have a 2018 2.7 Ecoboost with a 6.5 box and super cab. Since the PB comes with Crewcab that will add an extra foot. Or we loose lovely space that we are accustomed to.

Second question, Moonroof or no? All my cars have had moonroofs these past 20+ years and I would miss it.

This will be our only vehicle as we would trade both our F-150 truck and my Prius in on this purchase. We would use this new truck for me to drive to work (DH is retired) and to pull our Travel Trailer and be hurricane back up power!

Thanks!
Heidi
Sarasota, FL

 

[snyce1]

Hi,
we are seriously looking at a Powerboost. I would like to ask opinions on two things we are debating.

First 6.5 box or 5.5 box?
We currently have a 2018 2.7 Ecoboost with a 6.5 box and super cab. Since the PB comes with Crewcab that will add an extra foot. Or we loose lovely space that we are accustomed to.

Second question, Moonroof or no? All my cars have had moonroofs these past 20+ years and I would miss it.

This will be our only vehicle as we would trade both our F-150 truck and my Prius in on this purchase. We would use this new truck for me to drive to work (DH is retired) and to pull our Travel Trailer and be hurricane back up power!

Thanks!
Heidi
Sarasota, FL

Heidi
My poweboost is 6 weeks old in my hands after ordering june 30th. Supercrew nice cabin ..no moonroof as mine always end up w clogged drains in NY.

SADLY I DID BY IT FOR THE FUNCTION OF THE 7.2 KW generator function . That generator has what ford says is a software error they cant fix . They say software fix expected in april 2022. I get a frequent error message of groundfault error so all outlets are shutoff . Reset never works .i have to wait and pray . Ford says "some" 2021 f150 powerboost have this problem. There is a service memo . This does not incapacitate truck but makes it nonfunctional for what i intended for now . I consider it lemon status until it functions . Had i known of this i would stuck to my philosophy of avoiding first model year . I thought end of year woukd help but to no avail... Ford marketing was no help or compensation for this very expensive incomplete truck. Adaptive cruise has errors also .might be more computer issues ahead for this lemon .. id skip to 2022 if at all .

 

[F-150 Prius]

I don't know the exact numbers, but from what I recall, you're getting a heavier bumper and slightly larger rear brakes. There may also be an extra leaf in the rear springs, but I may be confusing that with the HDPP. So there's the extra weight.

The point I've read people making with Max Tow, specific to Powerboosts, is that much of what the package includes for an extra $900 over regular tow, isn't applicable to PBs. They already have the 3.73 e-locker. They have a 30 gallon tank in all configurations, so you don't get the 36 gallon tank.

I think we both agree on towing capacity overall. You get an extra 1400 lb trailer weight with Max Tow, but at 10% tongue weight for a TT, you're already at 1100 lbs if you max out the regular tow package (which would be crazy to begin with), never mind 1240 if you max out the Max Tow. That doesn't leave a lot of payload for everything else.

I paid for max tow for the fortification and brakes, not to literally max out the truck. The big advertising numbers diminish with elevation and I think the reports of towing heavy suggest the PowerBoost is not the right tool for the job. I assume most people pay for max tow for stability and control, not to calculate the last 100 lbs they can hang on the hitch.

 

[Snakebitten]

26 lbs according to Ford.
That's like 3 gallons of gasoline for the generator?

Wait! I don't carry the 150lb generator anymore! Or the gasoline. So I net almost 200lbs of Payload in my favor.

 

[guppydriver]

26 lbs according to Ford.
That's like 3 gallons of gasoline for the generator?

Wait! I don't carry the 150lb generator anymore! Or the gasoline. So I net almost 200lbs of Payload in my favor.

I do see it's 26 pounds for the max tow package. However, if you are even considering the max tow package, then you are assuredly getting at minimum the trailer tow package. This has a listed weight of 11 pounds in and of its self. The way I read it, the MTP actuall only decreases the payload by the diiference, which is 15 pounds.

Does this sound right? I don't see how the MTP could be 26 pounds more than an option you didn't choose.

 

[Snakebitten]

I do see it's 26 pounds for the max tow package. However, if you are even considering the max tow package, then you are assuredly getting at minimum the trailer tow package. This has a listed weight of 11 pounds in and of its self. The way I read it, the MTP actuall only decreases the payload by the diiference, which is 15 pounds.

Does this sound right? I don't see how the MTP could be 26 pounds more than an option you didn't choose.

Exactly!
Or that's the way Ford will calculate it for the Payload sticker on the door jamb.

Ford also states that the curb weight includes full tank of fuel for the STANDARD tank and a driver of 150lbs.
Note that for the F150, if you opt for a 36 gallon tank, the penalty is 83 lbs because it is still included as a full tank of fuel but the penalty to cargo capacity is only for the additional gallons over the standard tank.

The Powerboost has its own curb weight start that includes a full tank of fuel, and has no optional fuel tank, so has no bearing on Payload Capacity sticker.

Edit: I just checked and the 2021 Ford document states that Curb Weight does NOT include any weight for the driver. My bad. (I believe it did in a previous year?)

 

[Whiskey]

I have max tow so I’ve attached my payload sticker for you. PS, most TT suggest 10-15% Tongue weight so keep that in mind. Hope this helps….oh yea if ya don’t already know you gotta get 3.73 electronic locking axle as well to get max towing.

 

[guppydriver]

I have max tow so I’ve attached my payload sticker for you. PS, most TT suggest 10-15% Tongue weight so keep that in mind. Hope this helps….oh yea if ya don’t already know you gotta get 3.73 electronic locking axle as well to get max towing.

Thanks Whiskey...

However, I do think you don't have to "get" the 3.73 if getting the PB. It already comes with when you select the engine.

That's the main issue when people ponder the MTP me thinks. You literally get so much less for your money and in essence "double pay" compared to buying the same package for the same price with the EB. Buying with the 5.0 or EB nets you bigger fuel tank, upgraded electronic rear axle, and maybe one more thing the PB comes with standard.

I'm so torn...

I tow a 8000 pound boat four months out of the year and nothing heavier. Do you guys think I need the MTP? Is it worth 900 bucks? Does anyone really know what it comes with? Bigger bumper for sure....but upgraded brakes or a bigger leaf or axle??? Haven't seen any solid documentation from Ford...

I suck at deciding.

 

[Whiskey]

Thanks Whiskey...

However, I do think you don't have to "get" the 3.73 if getting the PB. It already comes with when you select the engine.

That's the main issue when people ponder the MTP me thinks. You literally get so much less for your money and in essence "double pay" compared to buying the same package for the same price with the EB. Buying with the 5.0 or EB nets you bigger fuel tank, upgraded electronic rear axle, and maybe one more thing the PB comes with standard.

I'm so torn...

I tow a 8000 pound boat four months out of the year and nothing heavier. Do you guys think I need the MTP? Is it worth 900 bucks? Does anyone really know what it comes with? Bigger bumper for sure....but upgraded brakes or a bigger leaf or axle??? Haven't seen any solid documentation from Ford...

I suck at deciding.

I was going by the attached chart, looks you can get the 3.55???? Anyway, I had my PB and tow a 10k lb. Toyhauler in the mountains of Colorado and really glad I got this truck. I traded a 2018 F250 that was in super great shape and wonder at the beginning if I made a mistake. I can say now after 24k miles I made the best choice by getting my XLT PB.

 

[guppydriver]

I was going by the attached chart, looks you can get the 3.55???? Anyway, I had my PB and tow a 10k lb. Toyhauler in the mountains of Colorado and really glad I got this truck. I traded a 2018 F250 that was in super great shape and wonder at the beginning if I made a mistake. I can say now after 24k miles I made the best choice by getting my XLT PB.

Ahhh...

I see. We are both right in a sense. If you get the PB in a 4X2, it indeed comes standard with the 3.55. The 4X4 comes with the 3.73 when the PB motor is selected.

I don't know why I'm mustering over $900 on a truck stickered at 70K....

If the MTP only cuts into my payload 15 pounds or so net, maybe I should just do it to be safe.

I'll have to call Granger again though regarding the 2022's. For some reason on the 2021's going with the MTP with the chrome package (I want AM blue so I can't go sport) forces you into 20 inch wheels which is another $1300 bucks and takes another bite into your payload. Hopefully this has changed on the 2022's.

HONEST QUESTION...NEED ADVICE..

If I have to with the regualr tow package because I dont want 20" wheels, do you guys think it will suffice to pull my ~8k pound boat????

 

[someday]

If I have to with the regualr tow package because I dont want 20" wheels, do you guys think it will suffice to pull my ~8k pound boat????

You'll be fine pulling an 8k boat. Recommended tongue weight on boats is 5-7% (according to several trailer manufacturers), so you're looking at around 550 lbs tongue weight when adjusted correctly.

 

[guppydriver]

You'll be fine pulling an 8k boat. Recommended tongue weight on boats is 5-7% (according to several trailer manufacturers), so you're looking at around 550 lbs tongue weight when adjusted correctly.

Thanks....

That's what I'll probably do then.

I haven't had a chance to research this yet.... I'm sure there are threads infinitum ....

But... I just saw that 5000 pound hitch max for a bumper pull. WTH is up with that? I have a regular boat trailer with surge brakes. I don't think they even make a WDH for a trailer like mine. My currentTundra has a 10k hitch . Can you not tow a freaking boat over 5000 pounds (which they all are nowadays) with a F150?

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