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These things do get up! I’m excited to try running Premium my next fill up. I’ve heard it can resolve the shaking issue under load and, in reading this old C&D article on regular vs premium in the 3.5 Ecoboost, I’m wondering if I’ll be able to feel the difference. Same engine after all!
Running 93 does help some, but the engine still lugs a bit when in gear at a stop and is actively charging the hybrid battery. Just the nature of it as the idle speed lower in gear than it is in park with eco-idle enabled. Bothered me at first because it was so noticeably rougher than expected but now I'm used to it and just part of the PB's charm.
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Running 93 does help some, but the engine still lugs a bit when in gear at a stop and is actively charging the hybrid battery. Just the nature of it as the idle speed lower in gear than it is in park with eco-idle enabled. Bothered me at first because it was so noticeably rougher than expected but now I'm used to it and just part of the PB's charm.
I still haven't tried 93 octane on principle alone. I ran it in my 2015 V6 Canyon because it would ping and "chug" on regular, but damn if gas prices haven't shot up a lot since I got rid of that thing.

If they tell us the truck runs on regular, it should run *properly* on regular....
 

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I still haven't tried 93 octane on principle alone. I ran it in my 2015 V6 Canyon because it would ping and "chug" on regular, but damn if gas prices haven't shot up a lot since I got rid of that thing.

If they tell us the truck runs on regular, it should run *properly* on regular....
Well technically it does run properly on regular (87 Octane) gas. It just runs better on 93 as the system can call for higher boost and more spark advancement when needed. Dyno runs on 87 and 93 also show a nice bump in power to the wheels too. On my 20 Ranger with the stock tune switching from 87 to 93 would see and increase of 15 hp and 30 ft/lbs of torque to the wheels. One would assume a similarly scaled increase on the 3.5 EB engine with 93 as well.


Never had issues at a stop but would be okay with those symptoms given there’s a purpose behind them. Would just be ecstatic if the premium resolved my uphill/under load shimmy!
Agreed. Just was a bit of an adjustment coming from vehicles that had very smooth idle characteristics at a stop to the PB where it sometimes doesn't. Running higher octane fuel may help as the engine will be able to call for higher boost when needed. You can also try manually dropping to a lower gear to see if the increased revs make a difference when going up hill.
 

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Well technically it does run properly on regular (87 Octane) gas. It just runs better on 93 as the system can call for higher boost and more spark advancement when needed. Dyno runs on 87 and 93 also show a nice bump in power to the wheels too. On my 20 Ranger with the stock tune switching from 87 to 93 would see and increase of 15 hp and 30 ft/lbs of torque to the wheels. One would assume a similarly scaled increase on the 3.5 EB engine with 93 as well.
I’ve tried dropping gears and it does help, though there’s still a shimmy on initial downshift. We’ll see how premium does.

And Car & Driver did a test on 87 v 93 in the 3.5 EB back in 2019 - Results were similar to your test on the Ranger at scale. Check it out:https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a28565486/honda-cr-v-vs-bmw-m5-ford-f-150-dodge-charger/
Alright, you guys may have convinced me to finally try some 93 in this thing, given the recent gas price decline. Fingers crossed that I get a nice mpg boost to compensate for the 87 to 93 cost differential! ?
 

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Saw the title, expected an AIC reference.
 

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Nice article. The
Alright, you guys may have convinced me to finally try some 93 in this thing, given the recent gas price decline. Fingers crossed that I get a nice mpg boost to compensate for the 87 to 93 cost differential! ?
We aim to please sir!

Just note it may take up to 1/2 a tank to see any real difference when switching from 87 to 93. Unlike old school systems, this one is a little slow to respond to the octane change.
 

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Alright, you guys may have convinced me to finally try some 93 in this thing, given the recent gas price decline. Fingers crossed that I get a nice mpg boost to compensate for the 87 to 93 cost differential! ?
One consideration for ya. The PCM learns trim strategy based on fuel octane. You may see best results after a full reset so it can set new trims right off the bat with the the new octane.
My experience has been once the PCM strategy adopts quirky fueling habits, it doesn’t tend to work them out without a nudge (full reset).
Good luck!!
 

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I don't know exactly which update might be responsible, but if I had to guess it was the most recent pcm update for my current 2022 Powerboost. Regardless, I have a considerable stretch of 45mph back country rural road where the truck is now in 7th gear instead of 9th, and sometimes 10th.
So although I have no proof it was that recent pcm update, I have no doubt that the Normal Mode shifting strategy has been modified from what my 2021 Powerboost AND this 2022 previously exhibited.

That's about a 300rpm increase down low where lugging the motor is close to the edge.

In the past I would use the gear selection button to adjust the cruising rpms if it was going to be more than a few seconds of cruising. I avoided anything under 1400 rpms. Now the truck is cruising at ~1500 rpms without my interfering. Very pleased to see this personally.

And yes, I use 93 and monitor the OAR religiously. I've had several Ecoboost in the past and have learned to keep the combustion chamber happy and with some headroom regarding knock and/or timing retard.
 

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One consideration for ya. The PCM learns trim strategy based on fuel octane. You may see best results after a full reset so it can set new trims right off the bat with the the new octane.
My experience has been once the PCM strategy adopts quirky fueling habits, it doesn’t tend to work them out without a nudge (full reset).
Good luck!!
Interestingly enough, Amazon just delivered my OBD LinkEX about 15 minutes ago. Can one of you gurus kindly direct me to the de-facto thread on resetting trans tables? I assume that's what you're referring to, @erixgix?
 

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Interestingly enough, Amazon just delivered my OBD LinkEX about 15 minutes ago. Can one of you gurus kindly direct me to the de-facto thread on resetting trans tables? I assume that's what you're referring to, @erixgix?
Once you get Forscan connected click on the wrench and it should be one of the items there. Reset Transmission adaptive tables or something like that. Click on it and follow the prompts. Should take about 30 seconds to clear. After that drive around on surface streets calmly for about 20 minutes. This will allow the transmission to set the initial shift values and pressures. After that it will adapt over the next 250-500 miles to your particular habits. Shifts may still be erratic or hunt until it settles back in.
 

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Interestingly enough, Amazon just delivered my OBD LinkEX about 15 minutes ago. Can one of you gurus kindly direct me to the de-facto thread on resetting trans tables? I assume that's what you're referring to, @erixgix?
Timing is everything!

The PCM is a separate set of adaptions. In your case it would be best to reset ‘All Adaptions’ to clear out the PCM
 

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Once you get Forscan connected click on the wrench and it should be one of the items there. Reset Transmission adaptive tables or something like that. Click on it and follow the prompts. Should take about 30 seconds to clear. After that drive around on surface streets calmly for about 20 minutes. This will allow the transmission to set the initial shift values and pressures. After that it will adapt over the next 250-500 miles to your particular habits. Shifts may still be erratic or hunt until it settles back in.
Thanks man. I believe @Snakebitten and others have suggested driving in Sport mode after resetting. Your thoughts on this?
 

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Anytime. I have always left it in Normal mode as that is the primary setting I keep it in. Each mode has a different shift strategy. Putting it in Sport mode especially during the initial re-learn might not be a bad idea as it will hit every gear. After the initial re-learn then keeping it in normal may be desired but running in sport couldn't hurt but may take longer to adapt when in normal vs sport.
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