Lag then Quick Acceleration from electric to gas?

[BudLeary]

Is there a way to lock it in sport mode I am so frustrated by the jump from EV to gas 1,2,3rd... it is a real huck-a-buck as my wife calls it.

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[Snakebitten]

If it was in the so-called Sport mode when you killed the truck, it asks if you want to stay in Sport when you start it. If you don't answer promptly, you will have to select it again.

You realize that the word Sport is just a name Ford gave to that mode? Which is really just a computer strategy. I personally think what they call Sport I would call Normal because it's a strategy that allows the truck to act the most Normal that it is capable of. Behaves like a truck with a motor and 10-speeds.

What they call Normal, I would call Eco, because it IS Eco focused. And honestly it is almost indistinguishable from the strategy they call Eco.

 

[imnuts]

What they call Normal, I would call Eco, because it IS Eco focused. And honestly it is almost indistinguishable from the strategy they call Eco.

You need to spend more time in Eco mode then, because there is a noticable difference between it and normal. Eco mode upshifts sooner, waits longer to downshift, and will switch to full electric more often.

 

[Snakebitten]

You need to spend more time in Eco mode then, because there is a noticable difference between it and normal. Eco mode upshifts sooner, waits longer to downshift, and will switch to full electric more often.

I realize my comment is subjective, but what you are saying is actually what I meant. It's the same strategy and intent, but as you describe, it's even more aggressive about achieving it.

But I won't be spending much time in Eco because Normal is Eco enough in my opinion. I can live with the low RPM during acceleration, but I lock out gears to keep it from cruising at 1200 rpms. In my opinion that's lugging this motor. Probably to no detriment short term, but these motors now have enough history to indicate they stay healthier longer getting worked harder than that.

 

[imnuts]

Normal rarely lugs the motor for me. As soon as I need more power, if it can't produce it with the electric motor, it down shifts. At most, I get 2-3 seconds of low RPM demand before shifting, which is nothing I haven't experienced in any other vehicle I've driven that wasn't in a "sport mode" setting or manual transmission.

My experience so far for normal/desired RPMs is:
Sport Mode - 2k+ and it doesn't seem to ever go below 2k RPM when driving
Normal Mode - 1.5-2k RPM and will shift just over 2k under moderate load
Eco Mode - <1.5k RPM and will shift early and often to maintain it

 

[Oxford_Powerboost]

I realize my comment is subjective, but what you are saying is actually what I meant. It's the same strategy and intent, but as you describe, it's even more aggressive about achieving it.

But I won't be spending much time in Eco because Normal is Eco enough in my opinion. I can live with the low RPM during acceleration, but I lock out gears to keep it from cruising at 1200 rpms. In my opinion that's lugging this motor. Probably to no detriment short term, but these motors now have enough history to indicate they stay healthier longer getting worked harder than that.

You’d hate my current car lol (also twin turbo V6, but not hybrid). It’s an 8 speed, and will get to 8th at 46mph. In lower gears, it will put along at 900-1000rpm. Prefers building boost to shifting around too much. (Ex, speeding up a bit or hitting an incline at 50 in 8th gear about 11-1200 rpm - it’ll just lean on the turbos and build 4-5psi of boost instead of messing with downshifts). And while accelerating at normal traffic speed in comfort mode, upshifts happen at about 1500 rpm dropping it back down to 1100ish. Idk, it’s an automatic. Let it do it’s thing. It wouldn’t do it if it were harmful. Factory warranty on my car is 10 years or 100,000 miles, clearly they think it’ll be fine. I plan to let my truck shift itself too once it gets here…

 

[Snakebitten]

The truck still "shifts itself" in whatever mode you choose. But the so called "Sport" strategy feels less confused or indecisive.
It'll co$t you the pure EV miles though.

If wishes were horses I'd like a mode, and call it anything you want, but it would NOT skip gears, would NOT even attempt to accelerate as an EV, but would still make EV available at cruise.

Which IS basically "Sport", but with EV still on the table with cruise.

To me that mode would be the most refined of them all, albeit a bit less frugal with fuel overall.

 

[Sledderj]

Bump for this thread.

Anyone ever get a resolution to this? My truck has got my heart pumping a few times making a left hand turn across traffic when it has hesitated when I give it the gas. I "think" the gas engine was already running when the hesitation occurred, but I can't say definitively because I was too busy trying not to get tee boned. I wondered if it was traction control related because it felt similar to when traction control engages and you have to let off the accelerator in order to get it to reset.

 

[Gros Ventre]

Hey... the system needs to recognize the demand for power... then it kicks in the engine and starts accelerating...

 

[2drunk2]

Hoping for a resolution on this thread as well. Owned my PB since April and this issue just started occurring for me in the last two weeks on a normal route I driven for years. All but one time was from dead stop turning left, only once when turning right; always in normal mode. Owned other turbo cars, this is definitely not turbo lag- almost like the system reads pedal input for a second and then switches to no pedal input for 1-2 seconds and then reads input again.

For sake of identifying trends/ symptoms, my truck is experiencing the following: transmission leak after the it sits for at least 2 days (seal was replaced couple of weeks ago but service advisor couldn't tell me which one, not sure if truly fixed yet), intermittent hard deacceleration downshifts around I think 4 to 3 (like brake checking someone hard), and a couple of days ago I could not move the shifter out of park until I turned the truck off for a few moments and then restarted it. Other current issues may/may not be related: all intermittent- loss of power steering for a few seconds after starting, check brake system error in stop and go situations, loud static pop out of center speaker at start up. Errors show up on my dash but don't record anywhere else. Previous but has not occurred again- complete loss of brakes due to "bad or incomplete programming".

 

[Gros Ventre]

You need to be careful. Flooring the gas pedal from electric mode can damage the engine. Specifically you can spin a bearing, particularly if it has been in electric mode for awhile. Better to anticipate the need and get the engine to kick on before you floor the gas pedal...

 

[toyko joe]

I did a TSB about 1,200 miles ago and it seemed to work for the immediate, now the shifting between is clunkier and more notable, especially when shifting back to engine power from electric. I am wondering how long before the u-joints will need to be replaced with all this herky-jerky shifting.

 

[Ford Motor Company]

Hoping for a resolution on this thread as well. Owned my PB since April and this issue just started occurring for me in the last two weeks on a normal route I driven for years. All but one time was from dead stop turning left, only once when turning right; always in normal mode. Owned other turbo cars, this is definitely not turbo lag- almost like the system reads pedal input for a second and then switches to no pedal input for 1-2 seconds and then reads input again.

For sake of identifying trends/ symptoms, my truck is experiencing the following: transmission leak after the it sits for at least 2 days (seal was replaced couple of weeks ago but service advisor couldn't tell me which one, not sure if truly fixed yet), intermittent hard deacceleration downshifts around I think 4 to 3 (like brake checking someone hard), and a couple of days ago I could not move the shifter out of park until I turned the truck off for a few moments and then restarted it. Other current issues may/may not be related: all intermittent- loss of power steering for a few seconds after starting, check brake system error in stop and go situations, loud static pop out of center speaker at start up. Errors show up on my dash but don't record anywhere else. Previous but has not occurred again- complete loss of brakes due to "bad or incomplete programming".

Hello, Mike!
Send us a private message with your VIN and the name and location of your local Ford dealer.
I’d be happy to see what I can do to assist. Thanks!

 

[05RubiconLJ]

I am glad someone brought this issue up. I have noticed it turning left and right out of my neighborhood onto a busy road. There have been more than a few times that I have thought I was going to get hit for sure. I have tried to be more careful and look for bigger gaps in traffic.

It was my assumption that the lag had something to do with the angle of my tires/traction control. If the truck were to give me all it has, the computer believes that I am prone to spinning out, so it won't give me full power until the wheels are straight again. Sound crazy, I know, but I have not noticed it at a stop light going straight. Almost everyone here is talking about turning.

 

[Snakebitten]

^^^^^
Interesting theory. And you could be right.
You could test that yourself by deactivating to various degrees the advance trak/traction control system.

I think a simple button push deactivates it partially. And holding the button down for a few seconds deactivates it even more so.

It would be cool to get feedback from you how each setting affects what you describe.

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