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[Snakebitten]

I personally don't consider the onboard BMS SOC (PID) as a value intended to represent what we think it does. It certainly doesn't line up with what a traditional 12V SOC chart would indicate.

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[fordtruckman2003]

I personally don't consider the onboard BMS SOC (PID) as a value intended to represent what we think it does. It certainly doesn't line up with what a traditional 12V SOC chart would indicate.

Definitely a guesstimate and I assume it would be more accurate with a better sensor. They pack a few things into the tiny BMS unit at top of battery. An accurate reading of battery capacity would likely require more parts and cost more.

 

[Snakebitten]

Definitely a guesstimate and I assume it would be more accurate with a better sensor. They pack a few things into the tiny BMS unit at top of battery. An accurate reading of battery capacity would likely require more parts and cost more.

I don't know. I am more likely to believe that the internal BMS generated SOC value is highly accurate in respect to what Ford's management algorithm is concerned.
Or put another way, Ford isn't displaying or intending to declare that SOC as a traditional chart based value. Instead, it's an unfortunate matching term ("State Of Charge) for what we use in a very specific context as well.

Similar to a Driver Select Mode like "Sport Mode".
The POWER OF SUGGESTION!

There is nothing about that mode that is in any way changing the HP/TQ output of the motor. Nor do you need to be in Sport Mode to get a better 0-60.
It's literally a different shift strategy for the 10r80 and an alteration of the tip-in for the throttle position sensor. (I much prefer this shift strategy, by the way)

Ford's low voltage SOC value serves the proprietary purpose that Ford wants it to. I'm convinced that they do not intend to declare that value as the official SOC in respect to a traditional SOC chart.

 

[fordtruckman2003]

Good points. I'm not sure if truck needs to relearn shifting with battery change but I'll try your idea of using sport mode for a bit. Surprisingly I've been very happy with the 10 speed after all the negativity I read about it. I think that was mostly last generation before OTA was a thing to fix it.

 

[Samson16]

Nor do you need to be in Sport Mode to get a better 0-60.
It's literally a different shift strategy for the 10r80 and an alteration of the tip-in for the throttle position sensor. (I much prefer this shift strategy, by the way)

Are you saying shift points don’t effect 0-60 times?

 

[Snakebitten]

Are you saying shift points don’t effect 0-60 times?

If you are aiming to get from 0-60 as fast as possible, which would be WOT, right?
The difference between Normal mode and Sport mode at WOT isn't quite so easy to distinguish.

Now drive casually, and you WILL experience far more differentiation between the two strategies.

What I'm really saying is that I think the so called "Sport Mode" is very much just a different shift strategy. The label is marketing, more than anything. And I personally think that if my 3.5 Ecoboost was a standard transmission, and I was just driving daily-casual, my own shift points would be far closer to that of the Sport mode than the standard mode.
I wouldn't be skipping gears. And I wouldn't be shifting to a gear ratio that would have me cruising at 1200-1400 rpms. I can feeeeel that motor. 1700-2000rpms, it just feeeeels happier.

 

[Samson16]

I've floored it from a roll in normal and it stumbles before catching fire. I don't get that stumble with sport. Perhaps from a stop with a little power brake to 1500rpm it will behave very similarly in both modes? I haven't tried that.

 

[Snakebitten]

0-60 starts at 0 silly.

 

[Snakebitten]

And you have a Powerboost. It hasn't even made up its mind if it's an EV or an ICE at 0.

The 10r80 doesn't get to be the boss about such decisions.

 

[Samson16]

The modes can involve throttle response, transmission shift points, ice/EV operation, steering response, and transfer case selection. Are you saying all of that is dispensed with once the pedal hits the floor?

 

[Snakebitten]

You can have an ICE 2WD F150 and still have Sport mode.

And even on a 4WD Platinum, until 2021 Ford didn't include the automatic switch to 4A when you chose Sport mode. And of course the Hybrid wasn't available yet.

I spent 4 years in a KingRanch 3.5 Ecoboost with a 10r80. Sport Mode was very much the same as in my Powerboost. It was primarily just one of several shift strategies for the 10r80. And in that truck I also felt the so called Sport strategy best represented a 10 speed mated to the Ecoboost.

 

[Grafx36510]

Sport mode is the best shifting strategy in mine. Although it does engage engine braking a bit more than I like. I suppose there is a reason for it.

 

[Snakebitten]

Sport mode is the best shifting strategy in mine. Although it does engage engine braking a bit more than I like. I suppose there is a reason for it.

I agree if you are getting out of the throttle after aggressive acceleration. It definitely holds the existing gear longer than I would if I had a 3rd pedal.
But not an issue on mine for normal pace acceleration.

 

[Samson16]

Sport mode is the best shifting strategy in mine. Although it does engage engine braking a bit more than I like. I suppose there is a reason for it.

I suppose because as Snake eluded to, it can’t clutch us into neutral and coast down, and it can’t predict our next throttle need, so it waits until inaction results in up shift.

 

[Grafx36510]

I suppose because as Snake eluded to, it can’t clutch us into neutral and coast down, and it can’t predict our next throttle need, so it waits until inaction results in up shift.

More than likely. That’s just my little quibble with it. Other than that…. FUN mode

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