Additional technical information on gen 4 5.0L V8?

[Henfield]

OK I did some searching because I’m intrigued now. Farley was asked if the Mustang coupe will go electric any time soon since the Challenger is now electric. He answered with a resounding “No”. When asked a follow-up if there will be a hybrid version of the V-8 he stated “Yeah that’s a possibility”. I wonder what Ford is cooking up. They’ve previously tested it but didn’t execute it. All I ask is if you put it in the Stang, put her in the one-fiddy too.

https://www.motor1.com/news/683604/ford-ceo-says-no-electric-mustang-yeah-hybrid/amp/

A Hybrid Mustang would require a complete redesign of the chassis unless you plan on giving up the rear seats to find space for the battery. I'm pretty sure there are two camps at Ford with the 3.5/hybrid fans in one corner and the V8 fans in another.

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[JExpedition07]

A Hybrid Mustang would require a complete redesign of the chassis unless you plan on giving up the rear seats to find space for the battery. I'm pretty sure there are two camps at Ford with the 3.5/hybrid fans in one corner and the V8 fans in another.

I’m a V-8 fan but I want the functionality of the PowerBoost on top of it, so a hybrid V-8 would be my ultimate powertrain. There is no separate corner for me, and no denying the functionality advantages of the hybrid. It would be nice to have the fill in for low end TQ and to be able to run a miter saw and chargers from my bed. The battery is pretty small, I don’t think a chassis redesign is required.

 

[Henfield]

I’m a V-8 fan but I want the functionality of the PowerBoost on top of it, so a hybrid V-8 would be my ultimate powertrain. There is no separate corner for me, and no denying the functionality advantages of the hybrid. It would be nice to have the fill in for low end TQ and to be able to run a miter saw and chargers from my bed. The battery is pretty small, I don’t think a chassis redesign is required.

The Fusion hybrid had a big hybrid battery bolted into the trunk. But I'd rather have that weight inside the wheelbase.

 

[dolsen]

I saw transaxle and couldn’t help but think of the… I think it’s called the mustang GTD? I wonder if it’s something to do with that car

 

[JExpedition07]

Interesting deep dive in gen 4 F-150 version. One big difference from gen 3 is the deck of the short block has become significantly stronger. They said that the production 21+ F-150 5.0L deck looks more like the 5.2L Predator in the Raptor R and GT-500 with how closed the design is. The gen-3 was only partially closed. They’ve built several of these to hit the 9’s now, impressive!

 

[SilverPigeon]

Well, my dream driveline has no battery, no gearbox to speak of, no tail shafts or diffs. it has a coyote powering a generator, a traction motor on each wheel. Pah! They'll never do what I want, so I'll just have to put up with my 5.0KR 3.73 for the foreseeable ?..........??????

 

[JExpedition07]

One of my employees is also a weirdo like me but instead of a Ford 5.0 nerd he’s a N54 I6 BMW nerd. He recently blew up his N54 pushing 750+ to the rear wheels so he had the engine disassembled. We compared the stock 5.0 rod to the N54 rod, and lo and behold the current 5.0’s rod has a larger flange on the beam and is beefier overall in all dimensions. We were a tad surprised at this, Ford is putting a beefier connecting rod in an N/A V8 from the factory than what BMW puts into a twin turbocharged inline-6.

Perhaps thats why we can run so much boost on stock innards. I should get some pics, he shattered a piston and bent a rod like a pretzel.

I am no engineer, but our conclusion was perhaps the 5.0’s rod is so beefy due to the higher revs the engine is capable of. I always love looking at internals of motors.

 

[Henfield]

One of my employees is also a weirdo like me but instead of a Ford 5.0 nerd he’s a N54 I6 BMW nerd. He recently blew up his N54 pushing 750+ to the rear wheels so he had the engine disassembled. We compared the stock 5.0 rod to the N54 rod, and lo and behold the current 5.0’s rod has a larger flange on the beam and is beefier overall in all dimensions. We were a tad surprised at this, Ford is putting a beefier connecting rod in an N/A V8 from the factory than what BMW puts into a twin turbocharged inline-6.

Perhaps thats why we can run so much boost on stock innards. I should get some pics, he shattered a piston and bent a rod like a pretzel.

I am no engineer, but our conclusion was perhaps the 5.0’s rod is so beefy due to the higher revs the engine is capable of. I always love looking at internals of motors.

Perhaps the part is common to the HiPo Mustangs and so is really beefy. Obviously good enough for the supercharger some people like to add.......

 

[SilverPigeon]

@JExpedition07 James, hopefully you know: I've been having trouble finding a definitive figure for our stock 87mm throttle body / intake manifold airflow CFM?

Also, should I take our redline as 6,750rpm as per the tacho, or 7,000rpm which it can hit?

Thanks for any help; I'm trying to lock down these parameters for my OBD fusion config

 

[JExpedition07]

She will shift at 6800 typically, rev limiter is 7,000 if in manual I believe. Just do 6800. No data on intake manifold but the heads are capable of 320 CFM, with truck cam we probably aren’t utilizing the ports capacity as fully as the Mustang.

 

[SilverPigeon]

Thanks James

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