'24 Base F150 XL vs. '24 Base Silverado WT

[Samson16]

I’d rather have an inline motor 4 or 6 than a v6.

Now a turbo charged flat 6, well absolutely!! Preferably nestled in the rear over the big fat tires of my two seater rocket ship ?

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[Chili]

The 2.7 Ford is better for a DD imo since it has more horsepower, and the 2.7 EB is plenty reliable. The 2.7 Chevy drives too much like a commercial box truck, it’s not exciting, just a boring low rpm lugger

That light engine in the front of what's already the best turning and handling truck, with a lot of torque? I strongly disagree. They both have their merits and you know the saying. Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.

I just think the rest of the Chevy is not competitive. But if I need another truck some day AND Chevy makes a better truck, I'll go there. They just haven't made a really good truck as a total package in a very, very long time.

 

[Samson16]

They just haven't made a really good truck as a total package in a very, very long time.

Really? The GMC Denali with the 6.2 certainly caught my attention while shopping. I had Sierra money to spend though and the XLT PB was too much truck to pass on.

 

[Chili]

Really? The GMC Denali with the 6.2 certainly caught my attention while shopping. I had Sierra money to spend though and the XLT PB was too much truck to pass on.

There are aspects of the GM truck that are good, but as you said the PB was too much to pass on.

6.2 uses premium to still be slower and get worse gas mileage. GM is also having a lot of 6.2 truck issues to boot. Their powertrains are a full generation behind Fords and it shocks me to say that Ford makes a far better riding truck than GM, outside the Zr2 they have a pretty crummy ride. Not sure where you live, but up here in the north the roads get pretty beat up.

The 2.7 4 cylinder seems like a great engine, but doesn't really get that good of gas mileage. Fords 2.7 does everything better, including the perception as very few people want a four-cylinder truck. GM was planning on doing an inline 6 version of that engine and I think it would have been great. But word is they canceled that.

 

[JExpedition07]

GM cancelled the inline 6 in favor of a new 6th generation small block V8 which is a wise move. They said 5% more power out of the 6.2L so it will be roughly 440 horsepower/485 lb ft of torque and also have a parallel hybrid version. Everything is a boosted 4 or 6 cylinder these days, it’s a wise business move to carry an N/A V8 because not everyone wanted to drive the same exact thing.

 

[Chili]

Where did you hear 5% gains?

Dropping the inline 6 was a huge mistake. They need both but with their 2.7l really being a failure (terrible perception, meh mpg, ok power) they may be cutting their losses. I think Stellantis is figuring out Ford has more figured out with the EcoBoost than most realize.

We all know the only trucks getting the good engines from GM will be high country crew cabs with 4wd starting at $69.9

 

[Samson16]

GM cancelled the inline 6 in favor of a new 6th generation small block V8 which is a wise move. They said 5% more power out of the 6.2L so it will be roughly 440 horsepower/485 lb ft of torque and also have a parallel hybrid version. Everything is a boosted 4 or 6 cylinder these days, it’s a wise business move to carry an N/A V8 because not everyone wanted to drive the same exact thing.

I found this

 

[JExpedition07]

I found this

That’s a misprint, new V8 does not arrive until 2025 and specs have not been released. Marry Barra so far has only said a roughly 5% increase in power when the investment press release came out.

 

[Chili]

Yeah, it's 420hp and 460tq. Has been for 10 years. It's still decent but considering it needs premium, it needs an HP bump.

5% would be 441hp and 483tq. I'd be good with that if it wasn't a huge price premium and you could actually get it in a RCSB or just lower trims. But the 5.3 would still be a dud as it needs a much bigger bump.

If GM actually had a soul, they would make a nice 5.7 again with over 400hp and use it and everything. The 6.2 is great, but they make it so difficult to get with config and trim locks. So you end up with a four-wheel drive crew cab high country that weighs 5600 lbs, getting whipped around by just about every configuration in an F-150.

 

[Bossharp]

Did you make a decision yet? I placed my order for regular cab short bed on April 9th. Now the real wait begins.

 

[Probity]

Did you make a decision yet? I placed my order for regular cab short bed on April 9th. Now the real wait begins.

I crossed over. Still in honeymoon period (<1000 miles) so no complaints yet. Like the mpg so far (20 city hand calc.). Even with the A/T tires it came with, as quiet as my '18 XLT.

 

[STX_guy2023]

Got a 2.7 23' STX based on XL EcoBoost that has been upgraded with cold Air intake and has been true dualled out, that will Shit and get 0-60 in like 5.5 seconds. Pushing like 365 HP and 440 FTLB Torque with no tune Just add ons. Will go almost as fast as a 97 Z28 camaro from the 90's to 100 then quit cause of governor LOL

 

[gagliano7]

Just so you know GM’s 2.7 does shut off cylinders so that could be a potential problem.

 

[Aonarch]

I'm not a fan of Chevy's 2.7l i4. Nothing against inline 4s, just Chevy's. Also 2.7l is huge displacement for 4 cylinders. Not sure why GM went with that big of a bore and stroke. The magic formula is .5l per cylinder. They are 29% above that target.

Ford's 2.7l is a fantastic engine. Huge fan. Very reliable, great on gas, PLENTY of power.

The 5.3l is a great engine but the cylinder deactivation technology is atrocious on those.

My problem with the 5.3l is, I'd just want the 6.2l. It is a better engine in every way.

The Coyote's cylinder deactivation technology is done in-house by Ford, where as GM and Stellantis had 3rd party engineers. That is why Ford is not known for problems with this tech, where as GM is plagued with them.

 

[Probity]

Just so you know GM’s 2.7 does shut off cylinders so that could be a potential problem.

Yep if I was targeting a forever/run it 'till the wheels fall off truck, that's a big negative. I think the GM 2.7 4-banger still uses AFM whereas the 2019+ V8's use DFM. To bolster sales and counteract the 'engine shaming' associated with a 4-banger in a fullsize PU (and their problematic 8 sp trans in 2019-2023 models), GM currently gives you a 5 yr/100k mile powertrain warranty (and their 'new' Gen2 8L80 8 sp).

I'll never see 100k miles on my Chebbie, not the type of driving I now do. Had it 7+ months and not 5k miles yet. My wants were basically an under-$40k large car with a big cargo basket that can occasionally pull a trailer, so I'm good.

Late model Silverado/Sierra forums aren't as good/populated as this Gen14 F150 one (or the other big F150 forum). The GM 2.7 L3B engine gets talked about almost as much as the Ford 3.3 NA engine is on this one, i.e not very much at all. There are examples of 100k+ mile L3B owners that mention oil usage (0.5-1 qt every 2-4k miles mostly) which isn't outrageous, blame is usually laid on the AFM lifter problems.

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