2022 CCD shocks ride like crap?

[Snakebitten]

I have no idea what the CCD damping curve code is for Eco mode. I have never driven more than a few seconds in the mode

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[aviator]

I'll admit I have not run eco mode either

 

[Snakebitten]

It's well documented that I have edited the VDM module values, installed RAS with a minimal pre-load compared to the original purpose of the apparatus, and added a rear Antisway bar.

Once you chase this rabbit and find your hyper focus engaged, it can be difficult to turn your sensitivity back down a notch. You always wonder if you can tweak it some more to get an even better result.

But recently I towed a light RV (~4500-5000# for about 2500 miles total. Much of it at interstate pace. I also recently purchased an F350 and it towed a longer/heavier RV for the same trip.

I also ran lots of errands in the F350 while the KingRanch Powerboost played generator mode for both RV's simultaneously.

All I can say is that getting out of the Beast and into the CCD modified F150 is an amazing contrast. The Powerboost towed with fantastic manners and composure. And when unhitched, compared to the SuperDuty, it rides like a dream. ? I'm sure that there's still room for dialing it in further for specific circumstances. But the overall range of the CCD programming is now well within the desired results.

 

[J17GT]

I have also never used Eco mode for more than a few seconds. It just makes the gas pedal so numb.

I’m still running around with @bmwfrk settings and pretty happy. Although at times I wish it was even a bit more firm to get rid of some of the slight body roll you get at times with certain situations. I may bump them up just a bit to experiment.

 

[bmwfrk]

I have no idea what the CCD damping curve code is for Eco mode. I have never driven more than a few seconds in the mode

I'll admit I have not run eco mode either

I can imagine no one enjoys riding around with the mushy pedal and potentially worse MPG in eco mode. I felt the same but just happened to try it out one day on a whim.

It's well documented that I have edited the VDM module values, installed RAS with a minimal pre-load compared to the original purpose of the apparatus, and added a rear Antisway bar.

Once you chase this rabbit and find your hyper focus engaged, it can be difficult to turn your sensitivity back down a notch. You always wonder if you can tweak it some more to get an even better result.

But recently I towed a light RV (~4500-5000# for about 2500 miles total. Much of it at interstate pace. I also recently purchased an F350 and it towed a longer/heavier RV for the same trip.

I also ran lots of errands in the F350 while the KingRanch Powerboost played generator mode for both RV's simultaneously.

All I can say is that getting out of the Beast and into the CCD modified F150 is an amazing contrast. The Powerboost towed with fantastic manners and composure. And when unhitched, compared to the SuperDuty, it rides like a dream. ? I'm sure that there's still room for dialing it in further for specific circumstances. But the overall range of the CCD programming is now well within the desired results.

I also had found a point of contentment with my setup. I initially cranked my settings up to 1080KG. I found this tamed a lot of body roll and rebound but on the highway it was a bit stiff when going over bridge approaches and similar grade changes. Felt like the truck would "launch" a bit.

After installing the sway bar, I dialed the settings back down to 900 KG which seem to give the same stability to the truck while offering a softer highway ride. I was pretty content here and kept it like this for several months. The rebound effect was still noticeable but greatly reduced.

Then this week, I stumbled into Eco mode and noticed an even softer ride, and the rebound effect nearly eliminated all together which still confuses me from a technical perspective. It also creates less body roll when hitting a bump/entrance while turning. It must have a different mapping that controls dampening to an Initial Impact and then changes through the following moments.

For most folks this may not be very noticeable, but our roads here around Austin are trash. Every single city street/arterial is littered with potholes, manholes, differential settlement, train tracks etc. All of these smaller impact really rattle this truck and the rebound effect is constant. The effect is bad enough that if I'm braking while going over these objects it causes the ABS to kick in. All of the previous settings/sway bar have helped to diminish this feeling but only the addition of eco mode has taken it to near zero.

Because of the variable driving conditions I encounter on a daily basis, I actually find myself regularly jumping between Normal, Sport and Eco depending on the street.

Going to do some additional testing with Eco and different CCD settings, also going to try my sway bar on the middle setting instead of the lowest. I'm wondering if Eco still has that much of an effect at different CCD settings or if I have stumbled upon some "harmonic sweet spot" in the suspension dynamics.

 

[Snakebitten]

I greatly appreciate both your efforts and your feedback. I really mean that too.
But mostly I'm pleased that you have been successful at enjoying your truck more, as a result.

CCD is such a $bargain! Incredibly inexpensive for the technology it provides. But Ford did the technology such a disservice with their deployment. It's such a good story to see that the buyer CAN patch it up and get the intended benefits.

 

[fatBatman]

I'm glad I stumbled across this thread. I am very new to FORScan and just started to play with it mainly because of this thread. Here in the DFW area, all of the roads are concrete pads and as the clay underneath expands and contracts, the concrete pads shift and you get mild to moderate undulations that cause your truck to porpoise. In a CCD truck, that porpoise motion of loading and unloading your rear suspension is not very comfortable.

Insert this thread. This has completely changed the truck. I was seriously debating trading and getting a truck with an FX4 package or even looking outside of Ford until I came across this thread. For an easy $59 for the FORScan dongle, it is worth that and so much more as it has saved me likely thousands in trading.

I wish I had taken a picture of my "As Built" but I didn't. My payload numbers were different than everyone else's too but only by 20lbs or so, so I didn't think much about it and left them unchanged. I did however, change all of my numbers to the "0438" settings as recommended but my factory setting for "RL" and "RR wheel and tire mass" (721-32-02) were already at "02EE" (750kgs) from the factory so I left those unchanged.

Since @Toeman85 and my truck already had the "RL" and "RR Wheel and Tire Mass" set at 02EE from the factory and others do not, I wonder why. I do not have the Max Tow Package but I do have the optional 22" wheels shared with the 703A Platinum trims.

When I was poking around in FORScan though, I saw in the "ABS" module that different shocks could be selected (760-02-02). You could select between CCD front shocks or non-CCD front shocks. There was nothing about rear shocks. Also in the SECM (Steering Effort Control Module), it has a selection for CCD present or not present (7C5-01-01).
Another curious section was in the PCM (Power Control Module). In the PCM, it has a section for "Damping Actuators" (7E0-163-03). In this section, you can select "unconfigured", "less adaptive damping", "Continuous Variable Damping", and 5 different "Magnetic Damping Systems".
Since I have manually changed my settings, as did several others in this thread, I do wonder what these would change. Maybe one day, I will put everything back to stock and play with these. In the meantime, the truck rides amazing now so I will not be trading for a FX4.

Thank you to everyone that has put in the effort to keep this thread going!

 

[Will_NY]

Just remove the CCD Shocks and replace with aftermarket. I pulled mine CCD shocks and replaced them with Fox 2.0 - World of a difference.

 

[Snakebitten]

If I were to remove CCD, I would personally desire at least an equivalent or superior adjustability. I had 2.5-class dampers (Fox) with DSC on my previous KingRanch F150 and I admit that I liked it a lot. Of course it's also much more expensive than CCD and required manual adjusting if you desired to take full advantage of the potential.

Active suspension is a wonderful feature. Ford just didn't give me the baseline that I would have preferred. But I'm more than pleased now and that made CCD a bargain!

 

[Will_NY]

Agreed. Just a nice option if you need to run larger wheels and tire setups..

 

[Snakebitten]

What was necessary to appease the VDM gods of no data being received from the CCD dampers?

 

[Pantro]

I agree.
If you want to experience just how much of that float the CCD system is capable of getting rid of? Just unplug the driver's side shock absorber!

It's eye opening.

The way the system is designed is IF there is any fault detected in any of the 4 corners, the VDM module will default to analog shock absorbers. And on CCD, unlike the Raptor, it defaults to full stiffness, rather than full softness.

I think you will be amazed at the range that these dampers are capable of operating in. I don't know why Ford has them programmed to be so soft, regardless of the drive mode selected. I haven't found any way of manipulating the system to be even close to what they are as analog dampers.

As I stated, the easiest to unplug is the drivers side rear. Here it is unplugged:

You will get an instrument panel warning as a result, but it clears itself when you plug it back in after one key cycle.

In analog mode the body roll side to side vanishes. And the front-rear pogo under aggressive braking is gone. So these "soft underdamped" (my opinion) shocks are being manipulated intentionally to be that way. Arghhhh

This is another reason why I personally believe that the truck will prosper immensely from a rear Antisway bar, and maybe even a heavier duty one up front to replace the anemic one from the factory.
I predict those changes will enhance the softer damping that Ford has programmed into the CCD logic. You might get your cake and eat it too?

Body control vastly improved with anti-sway forces in play, yet still having compliant damping for a nice ride on road irregularities. Or put another way, the lack of body control is exacerbating the soft damping?

Hello, I’m new to the forum and I’m figuring out what to do with my suspension. I have a 2024 F150 Platinum Plus with CCD. Without researching much, I bought the FOX 2.0 and ran into the problem that they are not compatible with the CCD system. While searching, I found the company OFF-ROAD Research, which has an interface that they claim allows the installation of passive or analog suspension systems, eliminating system alerts and enabling the use of driving modes without issues. Has anyone heard of someone who has used it or if it really works?

Here’s the product link:

https://www.orrsrch.com/product-page/orrsrch-raptor-gen3-did-damper-interface-device

Thank you very much for your guidance.

 

[Pantro]

Just remove the CCD Shocks and replace with aftermarket. I pulled mine CCD shocks and replaced them with Fox 2.0 - World of a difference.

Did you have any issues with suspension alerts? Did you install any module to prevent the computer from showing an error due to missing sensor information?

 

[Will_NY]

Did you have any issues with suspension alerts? Did you install any module to prevent the computer from showing an error due to missing sensor information?

Use this setup: https://shockdeletes.com/
These replace the CCD modules.

I have zero issues no lights, etc..

 

[Pantro]

Use this setup: https://shockdeletes.com/
These replace the CCD modules.

I have zero issues no lights, etc..

Thanks, I will try it and let you know.

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