2021+ F-150 FORScan List / Database / Spreadsheet

[owensri2]

Ignoring the elephant in the room, which is the software mismatch, I would load your original As-Built and then just make the changes for enabling SiriusXM found in the thread below.

https://www.f150gen14.com/forum/threads/my22-adding-siriusxm.14798/

I figured it out. Was the first number on the APIM. Everything is working as it should now. Only DTC I have is in the IPC for generator mismatch. Haven't looked into that but it doesn't seem to be causing any issues. All other DTC's have cleared. As far as the software updates, guess I'll be SOL on that.

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[windowsmedia10]

Hi everyone, is there a Forscan setting that can be applied so that the RPM numbers appear in the middle of the tachometer in the MY24+ IPC? Like the MY21-23s. I read through the spreadsheet and it didnt look like it but figured I'd ask the experts.

Has anyone figured this one out?

 

[SilverPigeon]

Has anyone figured this one out?

I don't have a '24, but the only thing that looks relevant in the '24 IPC is DTF:

720-09-02

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Park Aid Control Rear Blockage Warning (PACRBW) • Park Aid Control Front Blockage Warning (PACFBW) • Digital Tachometer Feature (DTF) • Eco Coach (EC)

 

[Jackpine_Savage]

Does ford ever push updates that would change as built? Reason I ask is took delivery of a brand new 2025 f150 tremor 3.5 that they leveled and put 305/70r18 KO3’s on. I noticed the other day at 80 my Speedo was about 5mph off. Lucky me I had an OBD MX+ that I used for AlfaOBD on my Cummins. FORScan is new to me. With help of this forum and other info I gave it a shot last night. Took truck for a drive. Seems was well. Logging back in I see U0422. That can’t be good. So I start trying other numbers to find happy medium. Nothing was seeming to work. So I thought put it back and see what it does. I opened my save as built and went to pour numbers in and noticed 2 after my entry on line 2 had changed. 99.9% sure I didn’t do that. Do they auto populate based on other numbers entered? To make matters more confusing I downloaded as built from motorcraft and those numbers I didn’t change didn’t match the as built I saved before I started? I hope I’m explaining this right and someone can straighten me out. Part of this started because my bluecruise hasn’t ever worked either and I thought maybe since gps and vehicle speed were so far off that it may not. I have zero confidences in local dealer and more confidence in strangers on the internet. Am I just making classic new idiot mistake? Overthinking? I’d appreciate any help. Oh, I did do the full view not available mod for camera and it seems to have taken. Appreciate any insight and sorry for the book.

 

[Jackpine_Savage]

Ok, to follow up. I put it back to the original AB that I saved in files and UO422 went away and all is where I started. I guess I’ll forget what motorcraft a download said and run what was on truck. The truck came with 0A in line one and 00 in line 2. It does not like 7E in line 2. Looking in non ab BdyCM tire size says 2560. According to online calculator mine are 2777.8. Am I just SOL? I’ve seen guys put 315’s on, did they just find max and live with it? Does anyone know what max is for a 2025? Suggestions?

 

[Jackpine_Savage]

Geeze- Was it something I said? Or maybe didn’t say?? Wrong section? Call me an ahole if it makes you feel better? Steer me in the right direction with any of it if I messed up posting?

 

[Big Dog Daddy]

Does ford ever push updates that would change as built? Reason I ask is took delivery of a brand new 2025 f150 tremor 3.5 that they leveled and put 305/70r18 KO3’s on. I noticed the other day at 80 my Speedo was about 5mph off. Lucky me I had an OBD MX+ that I used for AlfaOBD on my Cummins. FORScan is new to me. With help of this forum and other info I gave it a shot last night. Took truck for a drive. Seems was well. Logging back in I see U0422. That can’t be good. So I start trying other numbers to find happy medium. Nothing was seeming to work. So I thought put it back and see what it does. I opened my save as built and went to pour numbers in and noticed 2 after my entry on line 2 had changed. 99.9% sure I didn’t do that. Do they auto populate based on other numbers entered? To make matters more confusing I downloaded as built from motorcraft and those numbers I didn’t change didn’t match the as built I saved before I started? I hope I’m explaining this right and someone can straighten me out. Part of this started because my bluecruise hasn’t ever worked either and I thought maybe since gps and vehicle speed were so far off that it may not. I have zero confidences in local dealer and more confidence in strangers on the internet. Am I just making classic new idiot mistake? Overthinking? I’d appreciate any help. Oh, I did do the full view not available mod for camera and it seems to have taken. Appreciate any insight and sorry for the book.

Your not in the wrong place. I can help you with the first question in this post from Friday. Basically the answer is yes, when Ford sends an OTA to your truck it is targeted to a specific module and it's software, when the OTA installs it we make changes to the as built to enable new features associated with that software. and then retain those changes on the Ford cloud. If you make changes in Forscan the changes can overwritten when an OTA is sent to the truck. The truck frequently does sync your as built to the cloud about once every 3 to 4 weeks. If you've made changes and haven’t had any ota activity in that time period, the changes you made will be reported to the Ford cloud and thus cooked into the books. Once this happens an OTA will not change or revert these settings you have made. But with this it's important to keep notes of your changes as you'll never be able to go back to the factory settings using a downloaded as built from the Ford cloud.

 

[Buyer2021]

The truck frequently does sync your as built to the cloud about once every 3 to 4 weeks. If you've made changes and haven’t had any ota activity in that time period, the changes you made will be reported to the Ford cloud and thus cooked into the books.

Being a curious geek, I've copied my Ford Service 'As-Built' 5 times, the first being before my truck was even delivered to my dealer, then typically a few weeks after each of my FORScan mod sessions. I copy>paste the table of addresses and instructions to an Excel spreadsheet.

I've confirmed that my FORScan edits are always reflected ("cooked into the books") in Ford's database shortly after I make those edits.

Once this happens an OTA will not change or revert these settings you have made. But with this it's important to keep notes of your changes as you'll never be able to go back to the factory settings using a downloaded as built from the Ford cloud.

I've received 21 OTA Updates since my truck was new (all 'logged' by me in another Excel spreadsheet). I've not tried to correlate each OTA update to addresses / instructions where I've made FORScan mods but I'm happy to say that I've never had an OTA update alter a FORScan mod I've made (though some updates do 'reset' my IPC gauge configuration, a minor irritation which is easy enough to 'restore' to my preferences).

Do I keep a master list of my FORScan edits just-in-case I need to manually restore them? You bet I do!

Perhaps interesting to note, my truck as delivered had 916 unique module addresses (rows on the As-Built table). My truck now has 1505 unique module addresses, so OTA updates have added 589 new addresses over the years!

 

[Big Dog Daddy]

@Buyer2021

? I'm a geek with this as well! Since new I've had 41 OTA's come to my truck. On the day of purchase I downloaded the as built and filed it "as new" after each successful OTA I again download the as built from the motorcraft site. I now have a folder on my laptop with the 41 different as builts. After each OTA I use the AsBuilt compare program to see what was changed. The program highlights the changes as well as each of the modules software versions before and after the ota. The program will allow you to compare upto 4 as built files at one time. Your correct that additional module address have been added over time. I think of the as built as an "instruction set" for the software and as New instructions are needed they add more lines of code.
I also maintain a spreadsheet of my forscan changes, just in case! If you don't already have as built compare, here's a link to it below, it freeware. With only an ask for donation.


https://www.compulsivecode.com/Project_AsBuiltCompare.aspx

 

[Buyer2021]

After each OTA I use the AsBuilt compare program to see what was changed.

Damn, that looks nifty. While I've copied / archived the 'plain language table' As-Built multiple times, I've not been downloading / archiving the abt files.

 

[Jackpine_Savage]

Your not in the wrong place. I can help you with the first question in this post from Friday. Basically the answer is yes, when Ford sends an OTA to your truck it is targeted to a specific module and it's software, when the OTA installs it we make changes to the as built to enable new features associated with that software. and then retain those changes on the Ford cloud. If you make changes in Forscan the changes can overwritten when an OTA is sent to the truck. The truck frequently does sync your as built to the cloud about once every 3 to 4 weeks. If you've made changes and haven’t had any ota activity in that time period, the changes you made will be reported to the Ford cloud and thus cooked into the books. Once this happens an OTA will not change or revert these settings you have made. But with this it's important to keep notes of your changes as you'll never be able to go back to the factory settings using a downloaded as built from the Ford cloud.

Hey thanks a ton for the response. Eases my mind in that aspect. I’ll assume sometime between built and from time I bought it that it must have “updated” then and the AB’s I saved the other day is the most current configuration for my truck and not my sausage fingers. My bluecruise, as stated, hasnt worked from day 1 but I’m trying to solve 1 thing at a time here without creating more problems. Trying not to be my own worst enemy. Does anyone happen to know max tire value for AB in 2025 that PCM doesn’t mind? I’ve been reading back in this thread where Silverpigeon was explaining the hexadecimal and trying different ones but it said 0A7E was known to work. My truck didn’t care for it. As hexadecimal is new to me I haven’t had time to sit and wrap my head around what I should try next. I think I understand it’s a 9+6. So going backward 7D is next? Or does that move 1 and 7 to 6 moves 16 Appreciate it!

 

[Big Dog Daddy]

Hey thanks a ton for the response. Eases my mind in that aspect. I’ll assume sometime between built and from time I bought it that it must have “updated” then and the AB’s I saved the other day is the most current configuration for my truck and not my sausage fingers. My bluecruise, as stated, hasnt worked from day 1 but I’m trying to solve 1 thing at a time here without creating more problems. Trying not to be my own worst enemy. Does anyone happen to know max tire value for AB in 2025 that PCM doesn’t mind? I’ve been reading back in this thread where Silverpigeon was explaining the hexadecimal and trying different ones but it said 0A7E was known to work. My truck didn’t care for it. As hexadecimal is new to me I haven’t had time to sit and wrap my head around what I should try next. I think I understand it’s a 9+6. So going backward 7D is next? Or does that move 1 and 7 to 6 moves 16 Appreciate it!

Well, sir I can’t help you on the tires size/change issue, I've never done that before, I'm certain others here on the forum have and you may what to just ask this question in a new thread,
As for blue cruise not working you may want to ask @rugedraw he will need you vin number and you can PM him this, he will probably be able to shed some light on your situation. Good luck!

 

[Jackpine_Savage]

Well, sir I can’t help you on the tires size/change issue, I've never done that before, I'm certain others here on the forum have and you may what to just ask this question in a new thread,
As for blue cruise not working you may want to ask @rugedraw he will need you vin number and you can PM him this, he will probably be able to shed some light on your situation. Good luck!

Ok, sounds good. I appreciate you taking the time and the direction!

 

[SilverPigeon]

...So going backward 7D is next? Or does that move 1 and 7 to 6 moves 16 Appreciate it!

So you're getting that it's 16 ?. Therefore, a way to find your maximum that the PCM is happy with is for those last two numbers:
1. Clear and retest for DTCs.
2. Go back in decrements of 16. That means 7E to 6E to 5E etc.
3. Clear and retest for DTCs again. If the DTC for the PCM complaining about invalid data from the BCM is still present, go back to step 1. Once the DTC has disappeared, then
4. Perform the PCM relearn all values in service procedures. Road test accuracy with gps. If happy with the outcome, great. If you want to make it more accurate, fine-tuning the number so that:
a. If dash speed is less than gps speed, increase the number in step 2 in increments that you're happy to make (1's, 2's, 4's etc.) and always retest DTCs after every change.
b. If dash speed is greater than gps, gradually decrease the number in step 2 by the decrements you're happy to make.
when happy, retest DTCs. If none, do the final PCM relearn.

It may be that you reach a point where the speedo is still off but you can't go higher without the PCM DTC. Then you have to live with that.

'There is also the different method of getting it close which is the GPS-truing method on the tire size spreadsheet which may get you near to the point of then doing fine tuning If needed.

 

[Jackpine_Savage]

So you're getting that it's 16 ?. Therefore, a way to find your maximum that the PCM is happy with is for those last two numbers:
1. Clear and retest for DTCs.
2. Go back in decrements of 16. That means 7E to 6E to 5E etc.
3. Clear and retest for DTCs again. If the DTC for the PCM complaining about invalid data from the BCM is still present, go back to step 1. Once the DTC has disappeared, then
4. Perform the PCM relearn all values in service procedures. Road test accuracy with gps. If happy with the outcome, great. If you want to make it more accurate, fine-tuning the number so that:
a. If dash speed is less than gps speed, increase the number in step 2 in increments that you're happy to make (1's, 2's, 4's etc.) and always retest DTCs after every change.
b. If dash speed is greater than gps, gradually decrease the number in step 2 by the decrements you're happy to make.
when happy, retest DTCs. If none, do the final PCM relearn.

It may be that you reach a point where the speedo is still off but you can't go higher without the PCM DTC. Then you have to live with that.

'There is also the different method of getting it close which is the GPS-truing method on the tire size spreadsheet which may get you near to the point of then doing fine tuning If needed.

Ok, ok… thank you! Your previous post is what made me start trying to decipher all of this. Am I correct in assuming after 1E that FD is next? Or does first digit stay a numeral? I’m assuming 0 is 10 and not actual zero? Or is zero actually zero and it goes from 9 to A? I’m probably making a mountain out of a mole hill…. The hamsters are working overtime. Again, appreciate everyone

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