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I’ve used my 2023 Powerboost Lariat mostly to tow my 7500 travel trailer. I’m nearing 50,000 miles, so I thought I’d change the rearend fluid, and at the same time slap on a Spicer diff cover. I have the 9.75” max tow axle with elocker. I don’t believe I need any friction modifier but am uncertain about what weight of gear lube to put in. Could you guys recommend brand and weight? I’ve searched and not found anything conclusive.
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I keep reading in different places about 75W140 synthetic. Why do people use that instead? Some one even said it’s a new spec on the 9.75 diff. I can go with the Ford spec but wondering if towing so much means I ought to use the heavier weight.
 

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I’ve used my 2023 Powerboost Lariat mostly to tow my 7500 travel trailer. I’m nearing 50,000 miles, so I thought I’d change the rearend fluid, and at the same time slap on a Spicer diff cover. I have the 9.75” max tow axle with elocker. I don’t believe I need any friction modifier but am uncertain about what weight of gear lube to put in. Could you guys recommend brand and weight? I’ve searched and not found anything conclusive.

I follow “Backroad Driver” on YouTube. Both brothers are great at showcasing and maintaining their F150 trucks on their channel. I will follow a few of their guidelines with their Differential and Transmission oil changing videos. Here’s a link to see their DIY video. All the links to the products they’re using is in the video description. Hope this helps. Good luck.






 

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No friction modifier needed
75w90 if you’re in a colder norther state
75w140 if you’re in a hot state
been wondering this as well as my old F150 (2010) called for 75w140 but these new 9.75s call for the slide of 75w85. Is there a reason for this? I do understand how those weights work, based on the temperature the oil may never even reach that 140 weight. Just wondering either way. I have the Spicer cover and lube locker gasket in my inventory for a change at 50K miles, I’m at 40K now.
 

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I used both on my last F150 with a 9.75. I had some diff problems, which caused me to try both the specified 75w85 and the older 75w140. The 75w140 was hotter, by far. I used a thermal camera to observe the temps at gas stops while towing my travel trailer. Sometimes 50f hotter with the same ambient temps with the thicker fluid after hours of towing. I can only conclude the thicker fluid has more shear at high speeds. I also suspect this offsets the majority of the increased viscosity. I never had another failure with either fluid, so I can't comment real protection vs just hotter. I've stick with the specified stuff since.
 

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I used both on my last F150 with a 9.75. I had some diff problems, which caused me to try both the specified 75w85 and the older 75w140. The 75w140 was hotter, by far. I used a thermal camera to observe the temps at gas stops while towing my travel trailer. Sometimes 50f hotter with the same ambient temps with the thicker fluid after hours of towing. I can only conclude the thicker fluid has more shear at high speeds. I also suspect this offsets the majority of the increased viscosity. I never had another failure with either fluid, so I can't comment real protection vs just hotter. I've stick with the specified stuff since.
A 50°F difference is pretty big, how high were the temps getting? I took some temp measurements last year on a 70°F day after my truck had been sitting for 5 hours, I'll post the results below. I should have waited longer for the ECT and ATF to come down to ambient temp, but I was impatient.

Mile 0:
Rear axle cover: 70°F
ECT: 118°F
ATF: 100°F

Mile 15: 70-75mph on the highway in 10th gear
Rear axle cover: 124°F
ECT: 180°F
ATF: 164°F

Mile 30: 70-75mph on the highway in 10th gear
Rear axle cover: 137°F
ECT: 172°F
ATF: 177°F

Mile 45: 70-75mph on the highway in 10th gear
Rear axle cover: 148°F
ECT: 180°F
ATF: 188°F

Mile 60: 70-75mph on the highway in 10th gear
Rear axle cover: 148°F
ECT: 167°F
ATF: 201°F

Mile 75: spirited stop and go driving
Rear axle cover: 149°F
ECT: 185°F
ATF: 210°F

It's worth mentioning that my truck has a 170° thermostat installed and a desired ETC of 180°F. My rear diff has a stock cover with a magnetic drain plug added to it, and it is filled with Redline 75W140NS synthetic gear oil and XL-3 friction modifier. All rear axle temp measurements were taken with an IR temp gun and the readings are from the lower half of the diff cover. The ECT and ATF temps readings were taken with HP Tuners VCM Scanner.
 

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been wondering this as well as my old F150 (2010) called for 75w140 but these new 9.75s call for the slide of 75w85. Is there a reason for this? I do understand how those weights work, based on the temperature the oil may never even reach that 140 weight. Just wondering either way. I have the Spicer cover and lube locker gasket in my inventory for a change at 50K miles, I’m at 40K now.
I’m in northern Indiana
I plan to continue to use 75w90 synthetic lube in both diffs
 
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A 50°F difference is pretty big, how high were the temps getting? I took some temp measurements last year on a 70°F day after my truck had been sitting for 5 hours, I'll post the results below. I should have waited longer for the ECT and ATF to come down to ambient temp, but I was impatient.

Mile 0:
Rear axle cover: 70°F
ECT: 118°F
ATF: 100°F

Mile 15: 70-75mph on the highway in 10th gear
Rear axle cover: 124°F
ECT: 180°F
ATF: 164°F

Mile 30: 70-75mph on the highway in 10th gear
Rear axle cover: 137°F
ECT: 172°F
ATF: 177°F

Mile 45: 70-75mph on the highway in 10th gear
Rear axle cover: 148°F
ECT: 180°F
ATF: 188°F

Mile 60: 70-75mph on the highway in 10th gear
Rear axle cover: 148°F
ECT: 167°F
ATF: 201°F

Mile 75: spirited stop and go driving
Rear axle cover: 149°F
ECT: 185°F
ATF: 210°F

It's worth mentioning that my truck has a 170° thermostat installed and a desired ETC of 180°F. My rear diff has a stock cover with a magnetic drain plug added to it, and it is filled with Redline 75W140NS synthetic gear oil and XL-3 friction modifier. All rear axle temp measurements were taken with an IR temp gun and the readings are from the lower half of the diff cover. The ECT and ATF temps readings were taken with HP Tuners VCM Scanner.
My tests aren't apples to apples to yours, and I didn't document my data as well. Keep in mind my readings were after my diff was repaired, but working properly. The highest I saw was on a 79f day after nearly a full 36 gallon tank was used at 72mph towing. It was 203f at the hot point on the camera on the back side adjacent to the cover. Basically right next to the carrier bearings on the cast metal. IR cameras suffer from all sorts of inaccurate readings on various surfaces, so take it with a grain of salt. The cover was only in the 190s f. I do know I changed the fluid 3 times in 6 months, and the last fill was the specified fluid and it was dramatically lower, and the ambient temp was at least 5f hotter when I used the camera the last time. The hot spot was in the low 150f much like your data. Same truck, trailer, camera, location on the diff. My, possibly incorrect, conclusion is the "140" fluid is too thick. Maybe I'm wrong, and the thicker stuff protects better even though it gets hotter.
 

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Gears and bearings are designed for a viscosity range. There are water lubricated bearings that last 30+ years. To put in a 140 weight lube in a component designed for around 80 weight is not a good idea.
 
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Very interesting. Would 75W90 Colin’s threatened warranty at all or does it meet the specs dictated by Ford. I’ve got 60000 miles left on my ESP.
 
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Sorry. I guess autocorrect strikes again. My question was if 75W90 Valvoline would threaten warranty?
 

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Very interesting. Would 75W90 Colin’s threatened warranty at all or does it meet the specs dictated by Ford. I’ve got 60000 miles left on my ESP.
In my observation that is close enough in desired weight. I do not believe it would threaten a warranty.
 

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It's a personal decision as to which weight you use. Just to help clarify though 75w-140 is not a 140 weight oil. These multi viscosity oils are formulated so that at around -30 celsius I think, they flow like the lower weight would at that temperature, and at 100 celsius they flow the same as the higher number oil would flow at that temperature.

So, a 75w-140 oil vs a 75w-80: both will flow the same as a 75 weight would at the lower test temperature (-30 Celsius?), and one will flow the same as an 80 weight would if it were 100 celsius, and the other will flow like a 140 will at 100 celsius. At 100 celsius, both are going to flow pretty well and may be "thinner" than a 75 weight at room temperature. You'd have to investigate the details to determine this.

I ran 75w-140 in my last f-150 with zero issues. Generally the thicker formulation is recommended for heavy loads/high stress on the gears since the film strength is stronger and this will reduce wear.

Motor oils are the same. The lower number represents flow equivalent at the lower test temperature vs a single weight at the same -30 celsius temperature , and the higher number represents flow equivalent to that single weight if both were at the higher 100 celsius temperature.
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