Blue cruise 1.4 issues?

[FaaWrenchBndr]

Maybe because of the renewal you got it? ?. I bought the truck a year used and it had it on there until March of 26. Maybe that’s why they’re trying to get me to pay on the app now.

I don’t know. After hearing Hamma’s thoughts I probably don’t have 1.4

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[HammaMan]

I don’t know. After hearing Hamma’s thoughts I probably don’t have 1.4

Whatever the deal is, it’s much better

PM your vin

 

[ReverendQ]

Is it possible that the new ipma software is more sensitive to the camera and cable condition?
I have a old ipma that calibrates. It's on old updates.
Dealer has tried three ipma's with current software and it rejects the vison camera.

Dealer got ford's engineers involved. Instead of following the service bulletin where the cables are replaced first then camera they refuse to do the cables. They keep throwing ipmas at it.
They say the old ipma worked so there is now problem with the cables.
Two things they are overlooking.
New software has stricter requirements for camera condition and dodgy cables are not passing now.
Or when the ipmas keep getting replaced they are screwing up the cable.

I would replace the cables myself but I need help determining the first and second cable number. The second goes from the c900 connector in the a pillar down to the ipma. There are 3 based on feature code. For the second part and two possible cables from the camera to the c900. I dont know how to determine my feature set. It's 4 letters.
The cable from the dash camera comprises of two cables. One from the camera to c900 then from c900 down to c242f on the ipma. One possible cable has a jumper from the c242 to a connector right next to it that goes to the apim. The other possible cable also has a jumper that needs routed through the firewall that pins in to a connector sitting on the rear firewall.

SB 23-2146

If someone could help you will need my vin. Is it wise to post vins?

End result i want to jump from the camera to the currently installed ipma draped over my dash. If it works in resolving this 3 month ordeal I want to see their faces when I bring it back in and say I fuukng told you so.

This is concerning. I am not trying to get BC anything. I'm trying to get Advanced Driver Assist 2.0 back to working like it did with a MY23 IPMA.

I swapped out a MY23 IPMA and replaced it with in a MY21 IPMA (so I can eventually install and enable front parking sensors). I already have 360 camera, iACC but needed the LIM chips for the sensors and the MY21 IPMA appears to have them.

I could not get the front camera to calibrate with ForScan. @HammaMan updated the MY21 IPMA to the latest software using ForScan to side load it. Speedometer (tire size) is calibrated, AFE calibrated, CCM is calibrated, and the camera images look fine with my eyes, yet the IPMA keeps throwing codes for the vision system.

@Jesse-Infotainment suspects we need to PMI the MY21 IPMA with FDRS, which we thought we did already, but will try again. Using FDRS I am going to try another PMI of the IPMA, then see if I can calibrate the front camera or anything else that wants to be re-calibrated with FDRS.

If I got to get new cables just to get things working, I'd like to know soon because banging my head on the wall with this MY21 IPMA front camera calibration is about to crack my skull and ruin my third marriage.

Please keep us updated.

 

[Spiffy]

Jesse and I put a different ipma in. He had me do the pmi. 3 hours. I tried to calibrate the camera. No go. He remoted in and checked a few things. He couldn't find a thing. He thought the camera or cables are faulty.
So I ended up taking it to my dealer. They asked that I put the ipma that came with my truck back in. When i did the camera calibrated. My dealer saw that and wanted to close the case. I mentioned that the original ipma is faulty. They tried to program out the faults to no avail. They ordered a new ipma. They did a pmi and the camera has faults.
There is a service bulletin over the camera not calibrating. It says to check and replace the cables from the camera to the ipma. They haven't done that.
They had gotten ford involved and have to do what they say.
I had words Friday after being told that Ford is not suspicious of the cables because the camera worked on the old ipma. It was also old software. My problems started with a update. After the update the CMR died and my ipma lost calibration.
Two things could be an issue.
My cable could have a intermittent flaw. I put the old ipma in and it worked. They removed it and put a new ipma in and it didn't. The cable may be faulty.

Another issue is the new software may have new code with tighter control over the camera and I finds it not acceptable.

Ether way I'm furious that they won't try a new cable. All they have to do is jump from the dash camera to the ipma according to the service bulletin. Just lay it over the dash.
Today they sent me a note that they have to open a case with ford.
I think they are waiting to get authority to go the cable replacement route.

Tomorrow I'm going to ask them to return my truck while they screw around.
If I could figure out the cable part numbers I would try the cables. Im finding it impossible to get the part numbers. There are a few different cables based on my feature set code. I have no idea what that means or how to use PTS to find them.
I'm hoping someone can help me with finding the part numbers.

In your case you said the czmera has good picture. I don't think the camera your thinking of has video. The lane keeping is the camera behind the review mirror. I think the front camera that shows video is in the grill.
Anyway the lane and crash avoidance camera plugs into the ipma at connector c242F. It's a brown connector with coax cables only.

 

[HammaMan]

That camera is the only cable that doesn't run across the headliner to one of the 2 rear connectors. It runs to the driver's A pillar.

Hard to not think about this when I hear of camera issues

 

[ReverendQ]

Jesse and I put a different ipma in. He had me do the pmi. 3 hours. I tried to calibrate the camera. No go. He remoted in and checked a few things. He couldn't find a thing. He thought the camera or cables are faulty.
So I ended up taking it to my dealer. They asked that I put the ipma that came with my truck back in. When i did the camera calibrated. My dealer saw that and wanted to close the case. I mentioned that the original ipma is faulty. They tried to program out the faults to no avail. They ordered a new ipma. They did a pmi and the camera has faults.
There is a service bulletin over the camera not calibrating. It says to check and replace the cables from the camera to the ipma. They haven't done that.
They had gotten ford involved and have to do what they say.
I had words Friday after being told that Ford is not suspicious of the cables because the camera worked on the old ipma. It was also old software. My problems started with a update. After the update the CMR died and my ipma lost calibration.
Two things could be an issue.
My cable could have a intermittent flaw. I put the old ipma in and it worked. They removed it and put a new ipma in and it didn't. The cable may be faulty.

Another issue is the new software may have new code with tighter control over the camera and I finds it not acceptable.

Ether way I'm furious that they won't try a new cable. All they have to do is jump from the dash camera to the ipma according to the service bulletin. Just lay it over the dash.
Today they sent me a note that they have to open a case with ford.
I think they are waiting to get authority to go the cable replacement route.

Tomorrow I'm going to ask them to return my truck while they screw around.
If I could figure out the cable part numbers I would try the cables. Im finding it impossible to get the part numbers. There are a few different cables based on my feature set code. I have no idea what that means or how to use PTS to find them.
I'm hoping someone can help me with finding the part numbers.

In your case you said the czmera has good picture. I don't think the camera your thinking of has video. The lane keeping is the camera behind the review mirror. I think the front camera that shows video is in the grill.
Anyway the lane and crash avoidance camera plugs into the ipma at connector c242F. It's a brown connector with coax cables only.

Yes, the camera. I meant only to point out all other 360 cameras and images appear fine but indeed thats mute for this issue. I haven't swapped back to former IPMA yet. Watching your thread to see what happens. I.e. new camera and/or cable copasetuc with the new software. I hope to keep the MY21 IPMA but getting close to say "oh well" or something like that. I'll certainly let you know if i swap back and all works. But rather would swap a new cable in if that all.

 

[ReverendQ]

That camera is the only cable that doesn't run across the headliner to one of the 2 rear connectors. It runs to the driver's A pillar.

Hard to not think about this when I hear of camera issues

It was difficult to believe a bad coax until you reminded me of this picture. Suppose one could just replace the coax in the bundle? ...and not bend it beyond spec! If so I hope @Spiffy finds the p/n.

 

[Spiffy]

The service bulletin says to run a new cable along side the bundle. Zip tie. There is two different cable numbers from the camera to c900 in a pillar. Then one of three cables from c900 to c242f on the ipma.
I don't have to open the bundle. The cable is run along side. When it's run i just cut the okd connectors off so they are not to be confused. In the service bulletin I posted further back in this thread it describes how to chose the right cable based on the feature code set the truck has. That's where I'm stuck. I cant find the info.
The SB says to use pts and select the vin in top left corner and it will say what the feature code is. Pts is a pia to figure out.
I was thinking I would go to a dealer parts counter with my vin and see if they could tell me what cables to order.

 

[Spiffy]

Yes, the camera. I meant only to point out all other 360 cameras and images appear fine but indeed thats mute for this issue. I haven't swapped back to former IPMA yet. Watching your thread to see what happens. I.e. new camera and/or cable copasetuc with the new software. I hope to keep the MY21 IPMA but getting close to say "oh well" or something like that. I'll certainly let you know if i swap back and all works. But rather would swap a new cable in if that all.

I bet if you put the old ipma back it works. I think ford has a issue with the newest software with ipmas that are not original to the truck. That means they will continue to have issues when ever a ipma is called for.
The only resolution I have control over is replacing the cables or camera. If the new cables or camera doesn't resolve the problem then it's a software issue.
I wonder if ford can load the old software on the new ipma.
If I had not updated to the current version all this would not have been a issue.
There is a reason ford is not calling for a cable swap next. I think they know something is wrong. Mine can't be the only new ipma calibration issue.

 

[Spiffy]

I need some advice. Can the new ipma be loaded with older software? Like the version that is in the original?
The camera system works with the ipma that has not been updated.
My old ipma (with its other issues) will calibrate.

What would happen if I were to do another pmi but say yes to having the original?

Can it be side loaded?

My dealer will let me have the truck while ford is contemplating the next move.
My dealer won't do anything unless they are specifically instructed by ford now that they opened up a case. I get that. They need to be compensated.

I don't care if I have bluecruse 1.4 because I run openpilot and will never subscribe to bluecruse.

I'm suspicious of the new update.

 

[ReverendQ]

I need some advice. Can the new ipma be loaded with older software? Like the version that is in the original?
The camera system works with the ipma that has not been updated.
My old ipma (with its other issues) will calibrate.

What would happen if I were to do another pmi but say yes to having the original?

Can it be side loaded?

My dealer will let me have the truck while ford is contemplating the next move.
My dealer won't do anything unless they are specifically instructed by ford now that they opened up a case. I get that. They need to be compensated.

I don't care if I have bluecruse 1.4 because I run openpilot and will never subscribe to bluecruse.

I'm suspicious of the new update.

Great questions.

I may just try swapping back to the MY23 IPMA to understand the MY21 IPMA with latest software won't calibrate where MY23 with older software will.

Before that I would like @HammaMan or @Jesse-Infotainment to advise trying to side load the old software to the MY21 IPMA I have currently installed, if it can be done, and then trying to calibrate.

After seeing @HammaMan picture albeit I believe from a door bundle, I am also suspicious of the camera to IPMA cable being bundled such that its damaged enough to no longer provide an adequate signal i.e. its shielding broken. If you get the coax cable p/n I would consider acquiring it, detach the current cable at the camera end and the connector to the IPMA end, and then zip tie a new cable to the current bundle sans any ridiculous bends in replacement of the current cable left in the bundle. Curious if Ford enables your dealer to do that and that mitigates the issue.

It does appear neither of us care so much about BlueCruise per se, however the newest software for the IPMA presumably supporting BlueCruise 1.4 is not compatible with older IPMA/Cameras/Cables. Might this be why Ford is not updating older trucks or are they? IDK.

It was my understanding BC is deployed as:

• 2021–2023 F-150: Trims such as LARIAT®, King Ranch®, Platinum, Limited, and TREMOR® were equipped with BlueCruise version 1.0. Ford Motor Company
• 2024 F-150: Trims including XLT, LARIAT, King Ranch, Platinum, and TREMOR received BlueCruise version 1.2. siouxfallsford.com+3Ford Motor Company+3jenkinsandwynnefordclarksville.com+3
• 2025 F-150: These models come with BlueCruise version 1.4, which offers enhanced lane-centering and improved performance in various driving conditions.

@rugedraw , Is BC1.4 SW being deployed OTA for 2021-23 trucks?

 

[Ajzride]

Great questions.


@rugedraw , Is BC1.4 SW being deployed OTA for 2021-23 trucks?

Yes, 2021 Job 1 trucks can run BC1.4 and are getting it OTA, I have been running it for almost a year. While the new software might have tighter tolerances on the signal quality (causing issues with bad cables that older software didn't), there is nothing in a perfectly healthy 2021 that stops BC1.4 from working.

 

[AndyW1978]

Wow. I need to study up. I have no idea what these letters mean. Haha. I did previously make the suggested forscan changes but I’ll have to go back and check them again since the updates.

For real right. I know what BBC is but I don't think that's what people are talking about on here lol

 

[HammaMan]

For real right. I know what BBC is but I don't think that's what people are talking about on here lol

BBC is the latest software and needs the PSCM update installed to work properly.
Saw a truck the other day that was still back on ABG and didn't have an IPMA available, but did have ABS and PSCM outstanding as well as the CMR.

 

[Spiffy]

Further developments with my truck and ford. This update from ford's engineers sounds like they are throwing darts.


"""Hey Jeff, directly from our Ford Engineer, "With the testing completed so far, I'd double check connector C423 for pin fit concerns and for sufficient drag. If no pin fit concerns, ensure splices S417 and S418 are in good condition. If no concerns are noted, I'd recommend replacing the rear parking aid sensors and retest. If the concern remains, replace the IPMA again as it could be defective. If the concern is still present after this, it is possible that a software concern is present and will require further research."


They talk about checking connectors that are not even related and talk about replacing the rear sensors. Then they talk about replacing the new ipma they put in with yet another one. THEN they touch on a possibility that the software could be to blame.

I talked to the head of the shop to confirm they weren't trying to resorect the bad ipma I brought in. It would calibrate but had errors with sensors. It's a internal problem.

We discussed the possibility that the new 1.4 update has bugs.
1. My ipma that Jesse programed me a year ago worked great. It had 1.2 and APA that my original didn't have and couldn't have because it lacked the lin chips. I was fat and happy until I ran updates. After the update, my CMR bricked and my ipma died. Sent to Jesse to confirm. He got the CMR working but not the ipma.

So I bought a new ipma from ebay. Jesse sent the link. When I installed it and had Jesse remote in we did a PMI from server. The new ipma wouldn't calibrate. Jesse had no other suggestions other than possibility if a bad cable. At that point I took it my dealer. Instead of replacing the cables ford started with a new ipma. My dealer let me put in my old original ipma that was useless anyway. It also was damaged.
They didn't care as it was going to go back as core. They released my truck so I could swap the ipmas. So I keep the ipma that Jesse and I just programed.
Lo and behold the old damaged ipma was compatible. Note,, it had not been updated.

How my dealer and I left it was they have to do what ford's engineers suggest, check connectors, replace sensors then order a new ipma. If they stray from what the engineers say to do they will not get paid. If that doesn't work then I sit until they find a software bug. That could be weeks.

My service guy and I discussed that when they do the PMI , that they pull the image off the original. Do not say "no" to the question if the original is available. Don't pull data from the servers. The Ford servers will have the newest ipma software that could be buggy. We were spitballing.
He also said I he could release my truck while waiting on parts and support my effort to try the new cables. They won't cover the costs because it's not in the engineers plan.
But at this point having my truck sitting in the shop for days on end is costing me money.

My service manager and I both agreed that it's one of two things.
Bad cable or bad software. My dealer can't address those because ford hasn't authorized them.
So I have to sit and wait until the idiots at ford do there thing.

I'm asking the same thing. Can a older version of the ipma be side loaded or can a new PMI be done using the original non updated ipma?

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