10-Speed Trans Break-in Period?

[SALEEN961]

My trans felt awful for the first 1,000 miles and started getting noticeably better between 1,000 and 1,500 miles. In the end all my remaining complaints were just a result of the bad factory shift schedules and TCC lockup schedules. My truck never liked the stock coastdown shift to 1st at 5mph, but with a tune the shifts are very smooth and predictable. At this point even after clearing the transmission adaption tables, my trans shifts very well right from the first mile.

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[Gros Ventre]

I do not doubt that a bad load of software into the transmission can cause the performance described above. Doing a reload of software is always something that should be done if symptoms seem to call for it. I still believe that early changeout of fluid and new filter installed is a good idea. This from the perspective of ensuring that the "stuff" that can be floating around in the fluid is gotten out. This is, after all, a hydraulic machine with attendant fine clearances and "floaties" don't help performance.

 

[Snakebitten]

The adaptive learning seems like complete garbage from what I can tell. My 2021 drove fine for a week or 2 after i bought it and then I started getting random hard shifts and aggressive downshifting when I would slow to a stop. The dealer reset the learning settings after I complained and it felt fine again for a couple of weeks, and then settled in on a completely different set of quirks that I guess it think it "learned" from my driving. I got one of the first Livernois tunes and that took care of it.

The concept just seems stupid to me honestly. IMO, a good transmission strategy would be making it as predictable as possible. It's one thing I definitely miss about the 6 speed in the 2012 Sierra I had. I had a Black Bear tune, which tightened it up a little and had a great shifting strategy, and after I got a feel for it, I could practically get it to do exactly what I wanted in any given situation just based on throttle/brake input. Even tuned with the learning turned off, these 10 speeds just have some inherent jank to them.

You can reset (clear) the Adaptive Tables and then disable Adaptive Learning. (Forscan)

If you aren't happy with the results, you can re-enable it.

 

[ttnuagmada]

You can reset (clear) the Adaptive Tables and then disable Adaptive Learning. (Forscan)

If you aren't happy with the results, you can re-enable it.

Oh I've had it off for a long time, plus I have a tune as well. I was just speaking to my experiences it with it when I did give it a try.

 

[Gros Ventre]

Keep in mind that the "Adaptive Learning" feature of the transmission software amounts to "Artificial Intelligence" albeit at a lower level of AI. This AI remains software that is only as good as the programmer(s) that built it. The description above of being good for a few weeks after clearing things only to have them return tells me that the AI learned something, or several somethings, that you do not want... The Programmer "Did it!"

 

[Pcabe5]

I would like to think that the adaptive learning constantly monitors CVI volumes and makes adjustments for clutch wear and this learning would be important in the long run. Now if it is "learning" shift strategies based on driving style that should be left to the factory shift schedule and not learned/adapted.

I drive in a bunch of small rural towns the driving style is much different than when I hit a large city. So, a "learned" shift strategy could be very annoying in a large city as the driving style is more aggressive.

 

[Pcabe5]

PS Have you ever looked into the bottom of a quart oil bottle after putting the contents into your engine or transmission? You will occassionally find a little "puddle" of dirt down there... How did it get there? Most likely it was already in the bottle when the maker filled the bottle... but be that as it may, that is another way dirt can get into your engine or transmission. Could this only be one in a thousand or ten thousand? Yep, for sure. Still if it's your truck it goes into, it's one of one.

I would be willing to bet that what you are seeing in the bottom of your oil bottle is additives that have separated out.

 

[Gros Ventre]

I would be willing to bet that what you are seeing in the bottom of your oil bottle is additives that have separated out.

Nope, Just dust and such. Rarely but it happens.

 

[Michael7571]

I had a 2022 Ranger before I got the F-150. The Ranger had issues with the same 10R80 transmission from day one. I had the CDF drum replaced and after 500 miles it was still hard shifting.
When I tested the F-150, the salesmen noticed I turned on the gear display and he said “Shit, you had tranny issues in the Ranger?”. It’s a crapshoot of which truck has issues and I got lucky with the F-150 and the transmission has been flawless so far.

If you’re still having issues, research the TSB and have that ready for the dealership. My dealership didn’t give me any guff about it and took the Ranger in a few days later.

 

[Sigma1914]

Hey all,

Just bought a 5.0 STX a month ago. After I drove it home (about 50 miles away from dealer), I noticed the shifting was garbage, something I did not pick up on during my 10 min test drive. I soon noticed it was pretty bad to drive all around, shudder during acceleration, harsh up/down shifting and slow to downshift when you need to give it the beans. A month later I have about 1600 miles on it. About 100 miles ago I realized most of those problems seemed to have gone away and it was is reacting quicker and becoming much more enjoyable to drive.

Is this the "adaptive" learning that is going on, or perhaps it's a psychological thing that is going on where I am just getting used to driving it? Did you all notice anything similar when you bought new? I am glad it is driving better, even if it is only in my head.

Thanks,

It depends on when your truck was manufactured. The problem with all F-150 10-Speed transmissions were in fact the CDF drum inside of the transmission housing. These were updated and replaced on ALL manufactured F-150’s starting December 2022. So if your truck was manufactured on or after December 2022 you should have the update CDF drum that was causing the weird shifting problems. Here’s a video explanation. So it very well could be the transmission “adaptive learning” curve because I experienced something similar with the shifting but mines wasn’t too crazy and then it all stopped after like a month. Somewhere in between 1,000-1,500 miles. Now there’s absolutely no issues with the shifting I was experiencing before. (Knock on wood ?)

 

[js312]

I had a 2022 Ranger before I got the F-150. The Ranger had issues with the same 10R80 transmission from day one. I had the CDF drum replaced and after 500 miles it was still hard shifting.
When I tested the F-150, the salesmen noticed I turned on the gear display and he said “Shit, you had tranny issues in the Ranger?”. It’s a crapshoot of which truck has issues and I got lucky with the F-150 and the transmission has been flawless so far.

If you’re still having issues, research the TSB and have that ready for the dealership. My dealership didn’t give me any guff about it and took the Ranger in a few days later.

I don't think any Rangers have the 10R80 - they have the 10R60. Little lighter duty and slightly different gear ratios.

 

[Rinn69]

I don't think any Rangers have the 10R80 - they have the 10R60. Little lighter duty and slightly different gear ratios.

No, all Rangers (from 2019-present) have the 10R80. I traded in my 2019 for my F-150.

 

[js312]

No, all Rangers (from 2019-present) have the 10R80. I traded in my 2019 for my F-150.

Ah, just looked it up - looks like the new ones (2024+) have the 10R60, older ones have the 10R80.

 

[v8440]

Similar to the fact that trucks with the 7.3 godzilla motor now have 10r100's instead of 10r140's. Cheaper and cheaper...

 

[BenD302]

I just have 500mi on my 24' and I have definitely noticed a few wonky shifts, I think it skips 2nd and goes to 3rd from a stop and that shift feels weird at times along with just putting it in D sometimes I feel like a surge or something, and I have to be completely stopped going from R to D or its a very hard change, hopefully it smooth's out with time.

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