2024 F-150 Loud Ticking

[blazef150]

You have no clue what you are talking about. The 5.0 is rated up to 5w-50. If you think running a thicker oil is bad you are clueless. When towing and putting a heavy load on your engine it is STANDARD practice to run thicker viscosity to protect the engine. Anyone who thinks an engine is designed for one specific oil grade is clueless. In fact, if you put a supercharger on the 5.0 Ford says you would switch to 5w-50! Whether his noise is oil related or not, it is absolutely still beneficial to run thicker oil when putting a heavy load on the engine. 5w-30 is the minimum oil viscosity allowed in the engine. The minimum!

I don't where you got this from, but thicker oil is definitely not always better on a modern engine. Thick oils in gasoline engines are better in performance engines if the machining and bearings are cut to have clearance for the higher viscosity oil. The standard 2021 to 2024 f150 5.0l oil viscosity is by design 5w30 if you deviate from this you will cause variable valve timing inaccuracies at a minimum. hydraulic valving for the cylinder deactivation not working at the correct time. This isn't the voodoo 5.2 l , it has the clearance and programing accommodate for that performance oil type.
Side note my father builds engines and the bearing clearance is adjusted/ modified for the oil viscosity to be run if you do it right, even on the old school engines.

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[HammaMan]

You have no clue what you are talking about. The 5.0 is rated up to 5w-50. If you think running a thicker oil is bad you are clueless. When towing and putting a heavy load on your engine it is STANDARD practice to run thicker viscosity to protect the engine. Anyone who thinks an engine is designed for one specific oil grade is clueless. In fact, if you put a supercharger on the 5.0 Ford says you would switch to 5w-50! Whether his noise is oil related or not, it is absolutely still beneficial to run thicker oil when putting a heavy load on the engine. 5w-30 is the minimum oil viscosity allowed in the engine. The minimum!

Given the winter rating dictating the base formulation a, 10w-40 full synth is much more appealing for 10f+ winters. Higher viscosity lubes better. The push to lighter weights is STRICTLY for fuel economy.

I don't where you got this from, but thicker oil is definitely not always better on a modern engine. Thick oils in gasoline engines are better in performance engines if the machining and bearings are cut to have clearance for the higher viscosity oil. The standard 2021 to 2024 f150 5.0l oil viscosity is by design 5w30 if you deviate from this you will cause variable valve timing inaccuracies at a minimum. hydraulic valving for the cylinder deactivation not working at the correct time. This isn't the voodoo 5.2 l , it has the clearance and programing accommodate for that performance oil type.
Side note my father builds engines and the bearing clearance is adjusted/ modified for the oil viscosity to be run if you do it right, even on the old school engines.

Might want to share this with your dad

 

[blazef150]

Given the winter rating dictating the base formulation a, 10w-40 full synth is much more appealing for 10f+ winters. Higher viscosity lubes better. The push to lighter weights is STRICTLY for fuel economy.



Might want to share this with your dad

You might want to read this

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.mahle-aftermarket.com/media/local-media-north-america/pdfs-&-thumbnails/cl77-1-205r.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi59rDb68KIAxVaHNAFHeFWOuIQFnoECBoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0eTXgUThjkc8rgXA6Aaftx

Info from Mahle aftermarket.

 

[HammaMan]

Info from Mahle aftermarket.

And? Says what the vid says, in more generalized was, but it's trying to sell me rod bearings. Any guess what towing does to a motor? 250 degrees F is nothing in an ecoboost. Take a look at th weight of those oils at 250 degrees.

 

[blazef150]

And? Says what the vid says, in more generalized was, but it's trying to sell me rod bearings. Any guess what towing does to a motor? 250 degrees F is nothing in an ecoboost. Take a look at th weight of those oils at 250 degrees.

Ok, so just ignore bearing clearances, cam phaser and cylinder deactivation hydraulic control, oil pump volume/pressure and solely base it on the viscosity properties at temperature is what your telling me?

Tibit from another artical about bearing clearance

Clearances also dictate the oil viscosity used. We’ve included a chart from Driven Racing Oil that offers viscosity recommendations based on bearing clearance and anticipated oil temperature. A street engine would operate in the 160- to 220-degree F zone unless you did some track day adventures, then the oil temperature would likely move into the over 220-degree area.

Our 400ci small-block will employ an iron block and steel connecting rods. With a rod bearing clearance of 0.0021-inch and an anticipated oil temperature range of 160- to 220-degrees F, this would put the recommended viscosity right on the edge between 5W-20 and 5W-30. Keep in mind that using a slightly wider main bearing clearance would push the proper oil choice to thicker viscosity oil to protect the wider clearance.

We won’t dive too deeply into this subject as it could easily be dozens of pages. The important point is that bearing clearance dictates the viscosity oil that the engine wants to properly protect the bearings from undue wear. There is some latitude here if you study the accompanying chart and, of course, these are merely recommendations and not hard and fast rules.

https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/1902-how-to-set-and-check-bearing-clearance/

https://drivenracingoil.com/c-1389539-shop-by-viscosity.html

 

[HammaMan]

Ok, so just ignore bearing clearances, cam phaser and cylinder deactivation hydraulic control and solely base it on the viscosity properties at temperature is what your telling me?

Tibit from another artical about bearing clearance

Clearances also dictate the oil viscosity used. We’ve included a chart from Driven Racing Oil that offers viscosity recommendations based on bearing clearance and anticipated oil temperature. A street engine would operate in the 160- to 220-degree F zone unless you did some track day adventures, then the oil temperature would likely move into the over 220-degree area.

It's more fuel efficient to run engines warmer. This is why there are grille shutters . All comes back to fuel efficiency. You're taking 15-20yr+ old ideas and trying to extrapolate them onto modern designs. Modern engines are made to run temps over 200 degrees, and get there as soon as possible. Oil is used for cooling, oil is hotter than coolant, being sprayed onto the back of a piston will do that. Do you monitor relevant temps in your truck - it's sounding like you don't? 22 STX can't actually see the information 24s now get. You're not seeing any numerical temp values are you? Not only are engines and their logic different, the oil is substantially different.

Some of the stuff you've posted is just hilarious though -- take the mahale marketing material. Saying that tighter tolerances are better for a car while looser being okay for a truck that does towing. WHAT? Suddenly larger engines are okay to play fast and loose with tolerances? It's a truck let the valvetrain be noisy.

The only engine that can be found running cooler is the PB's where few mile drives and the ICE not running can create situations where the engine itself and oil are well below 200 degrees. In light duty generator mode or sitting, 2 minutes of engine run time every 20 minutes or so just doesn't get it hot enough enough though it's scavenging heat from the exhaust continually to warm the coolant / engine block. It ends up 145-160 degrees.

 

[blazef150]

It's more fuel efficient to run engines warmer. This is why there are grille shutters . All comes back to fuel efficiency. You're taking 15-20yr+ old ideas and trying to extrapolate them onto modern designs. Modern engines are made to run temps over 200 degrees, and get there as soon as possible. Oil is used for cooling, oil is hotter than coolant, being sprayed onto the back of a piston will do that. Do you monitor relevant temps in your truck - it's sounding like you don't? 22 STX can't actually see the information 24s now get. You're not seeing any numerical temp values are you? Not only are engines and their logic different, the oil is substantially different.

Some of the stuff you've posted is just hilarious though -- take the mahale marketing material. Saying that tighter tolerances are better for a car while looser being okay for a truck that does towing. WHAT? Suddenly larger engines are okay to play fast and loose with tolerances? It's a truck let the valvetrain be noisy.

The only engine that can be found running cooler is the PB's where few mile drives and the ICE not running can create situations where the engine itself and oil are well below 200 degrees. In light duty generator mode or sitting, 2 minutes of engine run time every 20 minutes or so just doesn't get it hot enough enough though it's scavenging heat from the exhaust continually to warm the coolant / engine block. It ends up 145-160 degrees.

Obviously you want to turn this into a bashing contest.

My f150 is not the only thing I have or had only stating my ford vehicle. And I know all about monitoring oil temperature.


It's not correct to state higher viscosity oil is better when other design considerations are not taken into account For which i have already stated. Hot or cold, performance, economy towing, modern, old etc engines it's still the same.

Never mind ford invalidating warranty if the find out you are running the wrong oil weight they specified.

 

[JExpedition07]

5W-20 had nothing to do with the oil consumption found in the 13th gens. That was the smaller ringlands ford used from 18-20 model years with the new plasma bores. They changed the piston and ring packs in 2021 to fix the oil consumption.

As far as 5W-50 in a non-track car. That’s just silly and plain stupid.

 

[djw.pro]

5W-20 had nothing to do with the oil consumption found in the 13th gens. That was the smaller ringlands ford used from 18-20 model years with the new plasma bores. They changed the piston and ring packs in 2021 to fix the oil consumption.

As far as 5W-50 in a non-track car. That’s just silly and plain stupid.

Being a member of multiple 5.0 forums, it is quite common for members to use 5w-50 to help with the infamous Coyote knock and oil consumption issues. Many have claimed drastic reduction or elimination. It’s also pretty much required if you install a supercharger or turbo on the 5.0. This has a lot to do with shearing and viscosity breakdown.

Personally, I run 5w-40 and this is a great medium for my engine. 5w-20 should have never been used in the 5.0. It was never even accepted as being an option in Europe to maintain the warranty on the 5.0. The only reason Ford did this in the US is because CAFE. I can’t imagine how thin 5w-20 is after 3k miles and if you think thin / fuel diluted oil does not play a role in ring wear you are mistaken.

 

[Davidwnuc]

Roush requires 5w-50 on the 5.0 when you put their supercharger on or it voids their warranty.
just food for thought.

Good luck OP

 

[djw.pro]

Roush requires 5w-50 on the 5.0 when you put their supercharger on or it voids their warranty.
just food for thought.

Good luck OP

Same for Whipple FP700.

 

[blazef150]

Roush requires 5w-50 on the 5.0 when you put their supercharger on or it voids their warranty.
just food for thought.

Good luck OP

Not just Fuel and ignition calibrations are done with those kits. And with the higher viscosity requirement the cam phaser ( cam phasing also programed with power as a focus) , oil pressure control programing updated and cylinder deactivation is disable.

 

[Deleted member 25262]

Sounds like a bearing noise from something ran by serpentine belt. My first guess is the tensioner, yet as someone else suggested a/c pump. That sound reminds me of an old truck with the belt on too tight.

 

[KingDavid]

Not just Fuel and ignition calibrations are done with those kits. And with the higher viscosity requirement the cam phaser ( cam phasing also programed with power as a focus) , oil pressure control programing updated and cylinder deactivation is disable.

I don't believe that's true. There's no custom tuning or bench tuning available for any current twin turbo kits on s650 mustangs. They all use 5w-50 oil on their setups while remaining on the factory tune.

 

[Rod507]

Sounds like the Cam Phaser (21B10) issue to me!

Ticking Video

I just purchased this 2024 Ford F-150 5.0. Twice I've towed a boat and launched it. After being out for a few hours, I backed my trailer in to get the boat. While stopped on the ramp, this was the noise it was making. I have had it at the dealership twice and they can't duplicate the noise. Any ideas?

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