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This was the forum post where I got the idea of the actuator. I wrote the part number down and printed the post so I can straight ask the tech “check this exact part to see if this is the issue” lol literally trying to make it as easy as possible. Otherwise, love the truck just the squeak has to go as none of the 4 in our work fleet that are all PB’s have this issue.

https://www.f150gen14.com/forum/threads/squeak-chirp-going-in-to-electric-mode.9452/
A year later and since the fix the problem has not returned.
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A year later and since the fix the problem has not returned.
That’s awesome to hear I’m keeping my fingers crossed that’s the issue! Was the sound the same of yours? (If my video worked lol).
 

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Yes, I believe all those terms are synonymous with the same component in the exhaust heat exchanger. Think of it as a blend door that opens and closes. Its function is to either block hot exhaust from flowing across the heat exchanger, or to redirect some portion of the exhaust to do so.

The electric solenoid/actuator looks like this:

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I haven't seen the casing disassembled, so I don't know what the exhaust door/shutter looks like. But I assume that the squeek is some kind of clearance issue. And I don't think there will be a problem presented unless the clearance issue progresses to the door/shutter hanging up.
 

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Yes, I believe all those terms are synonymous with the same component in the exhaust heat exchanger. Think of it as a blend door that opens and closes. Its function is to either block hot exhaust from flowing across the heat exchanger, or to redirect some portion of the exhaust to do so.

The electric solenoid/actuator looks like this:

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I haven't seen the casing disassembled, so I don't know what the exhaust door/shutter looks like. But I assume that the squeek is some kind of clearance issue. And I don't think there will be a problem presented unless the clearance issue progresses to the door/shutter hanging up.
The part # referenced in the post I pasted above for the actuator doesn’t look like what you posted. Unless that part above is inside of this picture I’m posting.

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The part you listed is the whole exhaust heat exchanger assembly.

This is it, but reveals the drawing above is less than accurate:
(red circles are the $5 tubes that are normally the culprit for a leaking Exhaust Heat Exchanger. The blue circle is the harness plug that is connected internally to the solenoid I pictured above. And as stated previously, it is the mechanism that open/closes the exhaust gas directing valve)

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The part you listed is the whole exhaust heat exchanger assembly.

This is it, but reveals the drawing above is less than accurate:
(red circles are the $5 tubes that are normally the culprit for a leaking Exhaust Heat Exchanger. The blue circle is the harness plug that is connected internally to the solenoid I pictured above. And as stated previously, it is the mechanism that open/closes the exhaust gas directing valve)

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This is incredibly helpful!! Thanks so much!
 

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So a couple weeks ago I noticed a squeak when going from ICE to electric. Immediately I knew it was the exhaust heat exchanger. No leaks or codes thrown, just the annoying noise. I scheduled an appointment at the dealer to have it checked out and a couple days later they called and said everything is in normal operating condition. I have 3 different clips of the noise on 3 different days but of course they don’t want to hear them. Attached is one of them so I’m not sure how this noise is considered normal.

Hi there. If you'd like to, go ahead and send us a private message with your VIN and dealer info and I’ll look into this squeak concern. Thanks!
 
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UPDATE: After further research on this squeaking noise, I found that it was the wastegate actuator arm making the noise. Every time the arm moved, it made the noise. So I took the truck back to the service department and told them the issue and the fix for it. The service advisor mentioned that the squeak is a normal operating characteristic of the wastegate actuator and the high temp grease fix is a temporary fix. I’ve owned several vehicles with turbos but this is the first with an electronic wastegate. None squeaked except this one. It looks like I’ll just have to live with the noise.
 

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UPDATE: After further research on this squeaking noise, I found that it was the wastegate actuator arm making the noise. Every time the arm moved, it made the noise. So I took the truck back to the service department and told them the issue and the fix for it. The service advisor mentioned that the squeak is a normal operating characteristic of the wastegate actuator and the high temp grease fix is a temporary fix. I’ve owned several vehicles with turbos but this is the first with an electronic wastegate. None squeaked except this one. It looks like I’ll just have to live with the noise.
Yeah that’s exactly what they did to mine and it’s been squeak free for almost a week. Did they at least grease it for you to eliminate the squeak? Your squeak definitely sounds worse than mine did. I will say, if they say it’s a normal characteristic then why does the grease eliminate the problem(even temporarily). If the noise can be eliminated for a period of time than it’s a noise that shouldn’t be there to begin with. I am hoping it will last to each oil change and I’ll just have them reapply grease at each oil change interval lol. Or maybe get someone to show me exactly where they are applying the grease and do it myself.
I will say that the multiple PB F150’s we have in our work fleet NONE make this noise and a few of them have almost 30k miles on them.
 
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Yeah that’s exactly what they did to mine and it’s been squeak free for almost a week. Did they at least grease it for you to eliminate the squeak? Your squeak definitely sounds worse than mine did. I will say, if they say it’s a normal characteristic then why does the grease eliminate the problem(even temporarily). If the noise can be eliminated for a period of time than it’s a noise that shouldn’t be there to begin with. I am hoping it will last to each oil change and I’ll just have them reapply grease at each oil change interval lol. Or maybe get someone to show me exactly where they are applying the grease and do it myself.
I will say that the multiple PB F150’s we have in our work fleet NONE make this noise and a few of them have almost 30k miles on them.
The service ticket said they greased it but only because I requested it. When I first started the truck, the first thing I did was listen for the noise and sure enough it was there. Next I checked the actuator arms and they didn’t appear to be greased. I figure at that point I’ll just take care of it myself. It looks fairly easy to take off the arm since it’s just held on with a snap ring.

I agree, the noise wasn’t there when I bought the truck. Apparently this noise is present on Rangers too. I might get in contact with Borg Warner to see what their take is on the noise.
 

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The service ticket said they greased it but only because I requested it. When I first started the truck, the first thing I did was listen for the noise and sure enough it was there. Next I checked the actuator arms and they didn’t appear to be greased. I figure at that point I’ll just take care of it myself. It looks fairly easy to take off the arm since it’s just held on with a snap ring.

I agree, the noise wasn’t there when I bought the truck. Apparently this noise is present on Rangers too. I might get in contact with Borg Warner to see what their take is on the noise.
Well after 2500 miles since they greased the actuator arm my squeak is back every time I come to a stop and take off. It hasn’t returned when the car switches from electric to gas or vis versa. I have my first oil change appointment on the 16th I’m going to ask them to show me exactly how they greased it since I’m not familiar with where it’s even located lol. That way, I can get the grease they use and just do it myself as the noise returns. Im assuming asking them to just replace the wastegate actuator is probably not going to happen even though the parts look to be less than $100 each.
 
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Well after 2500 miles since they greased the actuator arm my squeak is back every time I come to a stop and take off. It hasn’t returned when the car switches from electric to gas or vis versa. I have my first oil change appointment on the 16th I’m going to ask them to show me exactly how they greased it since I’m not familiar with where it’s even located lol. That way, I can get the grease they use and just do it myself as the noise returns. Im assuming asking them to just replace the wastegate actuator is probably not going to happen even though the parts look to be less than $100 each.
A few days after the service appointment I took a closer look at the actuators and I did see they greased them. I believe they used silicone grease. The stuff is real messy and hard to get rid of as it was all over my engine bay. It appears to me they just greased the surface which won’t do anything. It needs to be taken apart then greased. Doesn’t look too difficult as it’s just a snap ring holding on the actuator. I’ll give it a shot of silicone grease on my next oil change and see how that holds up.
 

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A few days after the service appointment I took a closer look at the actuators and I did see they greased them. I believe they used silicone grease. The stuff is real messy and hard to get rid of as it was all over my engine bay. It appears to me they just greased the surface which won’t do anything. It needs to be taken apart then greased. Doesn’t look too difficult as it’s just a snap ring holding on the actuator. I’ll give it a shot of silicone grease on my next oil change and see how that holds up.
Yeah they told me they had to take it apart and then greased it. I’m just surprised only a few people have this issue which makes me want to ask them to replace them since the part isn’t super expensive and they verified the concern and we don’t have the issue on the 3 Powerboost trucks that we have in our work fleet that all have over 30k miles. I drive them all the time and they have never once made the squeak. They are all 2021’s though and mine is a 2023. I’m just nervous taking it apart because I read it has to be tightened perfectly or can cause issues lol
 

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Yeah they told me they had to take it apart and then greased it. I’m just surprised only a few people have this issue which makes me want to ask them to replace them since the part isn’t super expensive and they verified the concern and we don’t have the issue on the 3 Powerboost trucks that we have in our work fleet that all have over 30k miles. I drive them all the time and they have never once made the squeak. They are all 2021’s though and mine is a 2023. I’m just nervous taking it apart because I read it has to be tightened perfectly or can cause issues lol
So just a follow-up. Just got back from the dealer. They said they greased the actuator arm again and the squeak is gone. The tech was gone for the day when I arrived, but I had asked how they greased it so I could just do it in the future myself since they said it was a quick and easy thing to do but he wasn’t sure what to do and had no one available to show me lol. The service advisor told me that everything they can find about the noise says the noise is normal to the PB and Ford wouldn’t approve replacing the actuator and arm in hopes of fully eliminating the noise. Which I don’t believe since the actuator and arm is the exact same part number for both the ecoboost and PB.

So my question to anyone following this.. does anyone know how to easily walk me through how I can grease the actuator arm myself (like do I just put grease on top of it, or is there something I have to take apart). I did buy a can of high temp (up to 1000 degrees vs 450 Ford uses) grease that I saw someone recommend on another forum so I can do it myself.

Second, I saw online that replacement actuator and arms run about $100 for each side on Ford Parts websites. Would that probably be my best bet to try and see if it’s an OEM defective part and it’s probably something I would have to have the dealership replace at my expense.
 

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I think I am confused why the wastegate would even move as a result of the transition from EV to ICE?

I can see where the actuator might move if/when Boost is called for by the PCM, but under normal circumstances, the transition from EV<>ICE and ICE<>EV could take place without boost being part of the equation.

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