Toyo Open Country AT3 - P vs LT?

[Heavishot]

I have a ‘22 F150 Lariat with 20” fuel wheels/leveled. I’ve had 295/60/20 Nitto ridge grapplers on it for the past 6 months, but do not like the wet/slick performance, or the rough ride with with E rated tire.
I’m looking into replacing them with Toyo AT3’s, and they offer the same size i have now in E rated, or i can go 285/60/20 in P rated. The P rated saves about 20lbs per tire, and I’ve heard they’re more comfortable on the road.
Anyone have experience with these two options?

I do not tow with the truck. It’s used for travel to the mountains/cabin.

I‘ve been contemplating the same thing. No towing and only light off road. Currently rolling on the same Nitto RG 295/60/20. I want to switch mostly to regain some mpg. The SL Toyo have to be at least as tough as the oem Hankooks so I’m not too concerned about dropping down from an E rated tire.

The problem is my Nittos have a ton of tread left. I wonder if anyone out there would be interested in buying them?

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[Polo08816]

I wasn't a fan of having to store tires and swap out wheels twice a year either so I really tried hard to find a good all-terrain or all-season that worked for me. In the end I would up getting a second set of wheels and snow tires because I had too many concerning experiences without them. After getting snow tires for my truck, I don't think I'd ever go back to running all-seasons or all-terrains in the winter. The difference in braking and stability when going down steep grades just can't be compared.

Facts, but I think it depends on where you live and if you're able to just stay at home for a day or two when it snows heavily enough.

It seems to get warmer and warmer with less and less snow with each passing year in the MD/PA area. We would typically have winter tires on all cars but we may go in the direction of just having one AWD/4WD vehicle with winter tires instead of all our cars.

 

[flynnstone]

I‘ve been contemplating the same thing. No towing and only light off road. Currently rolling on the same Nitto RG 295/60/20. I want to switch mostly to regain some mpg. The SL Toyo have to be at least as tough as the oem Hankooks so I’m not too concerned about dropping down from an E rated tire.

The problem is my Nittos have a ton of tread left. I wonder if anyone out there would be interested in buying them?

I posted mine last night on Facebook marketplace and got an offer for $1100…they have 5k miles… replacements are about $1700… not bad

 

[MJ360]

I'm currently running Toyo AT3's in 285/60/20 (E-rated) on '18 FX4 Lariat. At about 13k miles and a couple rotations the tread is wearing well. I like them overall but the wet traction does seem to be lacking. I do almost no towing and minimal off-roading. I'm in GA so snow isn't a concern. I just picked up '23 F150 Plat and looking 275/65's or maybe 285/60's again. I have to have a decent looking tire so the Continentals are out...I'm kind of looking at the Toyo's again as they seem to be lighter than others (even in E rating) and the Pirelli Scorpion A/T Plus seem to be a smarter choice based on reviews (cons are they don't look as good and maybe a few pounds heavier).
I'm interested in the P-rated Toyo's now but they seem hard to find on the ol' interweb...is this the same as the Toyo AT3 EV tire?

 

[Heavishot]

Toyo doesn’t list the load rating or weight for the EV version yet but if you zoom in on one of the pictures you can see the load index is 123/120 S which would be E rated. That seems like a curious choice by Toyo for a tire marketed to EV trucks trying to maximize mileage.

 

[wessermgm]

I would also point out that the Nitto Recon Grappler AT actually has a 34" SL load tire that is still pretty aggressive in 275/65/20. There are threads on this tire in the tires forum on the site. My neighbor didn't want an E load and he picked these up at 51 lbs per tire. He loves them. Nitto also rolls with a SL rated 305/55/20 (33.2") Ridge Grappler. I actually plan to get this tire for my 2024 KR Powerboost. It is aggressive with a 12.5" wide tire and only weighs 52 lbs.

 

[flynnstone]

I think everyone has convinced me to go with the Falken Wildpeaks…AT3 currently being replaced by new AT4

 

[TXGREEK]

I have a ‘22 F150 Lariat with 20” fuel wheels/leveled. I’ve had 295/60/20 Nitto ridge grapplers on it for the past 6 months, but do not like the wet/slick performance, or the rough ride with with E rated tire.
I’m looking into replacing them with Toyo AT3’s, and they offer the same size i have now in E rated, or i can go 285/60/20 in P rated. The P rated saves about 20lbs per tire, and I’ve heard they’re more comfortable on the road.
Anyone have experience with these two options?

I do not tow with the truck. It’s used for travel to the mountains/cabin.

I’ve got the 285/65/20 Toyo AT3’s in my 2” leveled 2023 F150 Lariat with zero issues, great ride too

 

[PowerBoostSoCal]

I have the Toyo ATIII on my current F150 and have had two sets on my last one (2021) - on the 20" rims everything else is factory. The P rated are really good and agree the LT will be much rougher ride , but if you tow or serious off-road you might like them better. I have been able to get about 55K miles on each set ... the Toyo's are severe snow rated and I can tell you from personal experience - these are the bomb!

 

[flynnstone]

I have the Toyo ATIII on my current F150 and have had two sets on my last one (2021) - on the 20" rims everything else is factory. The P rated are really good and agree the LT will be much rougher ride , but if you tow or serious off-road you might like them better. I have been able to get about 55K miles on each set ... the Toyo's are severe snow rated and I can tell you from personal experience - these are the bomb!

Had a hard time deciding between the Toyos and Wildpeaks… ended up going Wildpeak. Sounds like ill be covered either way ?

 

[PowerBoostSoCal]

I understand - I have no dog in the race - but can tell you most of these aftermarket tires are superior to what comes standard. I was driving in fresh snow on a two lane road last year - going up hill (maybe a 3% grade). There were two new Rams and another F150 and a Chevy all 4WD - and they were spinning tires and sliding all over the place. With my ATIIIs I put it in snow mode and just drove past everyone, they all looked at me like I was some sort of truck god ... all of these that are rated as three peak snow are definitely worth the money if you drive in snow/mud.

 

[ryanc111]

Had a hard time deciding between the Toyos and Wildpeaks… ended up going Wildpeak. Sounds like ill be covered either way ?

Yep, I think you'll be happy with them. I've been running Toyos for the last year and a half and have been mostly happy with them but I will tell you that I called my local tire shop this week to switch to the AT4Ws as soon as they are available.

I used to run dedicated snows in the winter and while they are definitely the best option I've since switched to running one tire year round and living with the 10-15% less performance in the winter. I do however get the tires siped before I install them and it makes a noticeable difference in the winter with limited drawbacks in the summer. Not sure that step is worth it in your case since you don't live in the snowy conditions though.

 

[flynnstone]

Yep, I think you'll be happy with them. I've been running Toyos for the last year and a half and have been mostly happy with them but I will tell you that I called my local tire shop this week to switch to the AT4Ws as soon as they are available.

I used to run dedicated snows in the winter and while they are definitely the best option I've since switched to running one tire year round and living with the 10-15% less performance in the winter. I do however get the tires siped before I install them and it makes a noticeable difference in the winter with limited drawbacks in the summer. Not sure that step is worth it in your case since you don't live in the snowy conditions though.

Nice! That’s what i just ordered were the Wildpeak AT4W… get ‘em installed next week ?. I hate the Nittos and deal with snowy conditions at our mountain home 3-4 months out of the year. I think it’s worth the change e

 

[Popplemer]

I‘ve been contemplating the same thing. No towing and only light off road. Currently rolling on the same Nitto RG 295/60/20. I want to switch mostly to regain some mpg. The SL Toyo have to be at least as tough as the oem Hankooks so I’m not too concerned about dropping down from an E rated tire.

The problem is my Nittos have a ton of tread left. I wonder if anyone out there would be interested in buying them?

My 2 cents... I had a 21 regular cab with Nitto Recon Grapplers that the dealer had installed. I can't remember the size but they were 20" load range E and I ran them at 34 psi. God they rode like utter s**t. Not loud, just hard. I drive commercial trucks daily and my daily driver drove like a triaxle dump truck unloaded. Horrible.

When I picked up my new 23 powerboost it rode like a dream. Especially after driving 17 hours out to Granger Ford on the Nittos
Albeit the PB needs better shocks but I digress...the only reason I'd replace the stock tires is to give myself better puncture resistance. So far I've only needed to drive into work once in the snow and I was fine on the stock scorpions. Believe me, I wanted to find a reason to replace them but they were fine.

I might add that I drive a snow plow for a city with a lot of hills and I've seen more wrecks happen in front of my eyes than you could imagine. IMHO if you feel the need to drive in the deep snow, just run skid chains.

I say stick with the P rated stuff. Most people overbuy when it comes to 1/2 ton pickup tires.

 

[flynnstone]

My 2 cents... I had a 21 regular cab with Nitto Recon Grapplers that the dealer had installed. I can't remember the size but they were 20" load range E and I ran them at 34 psi. God they rode like utter s**t. Not loud, just hard. I drive commercial trucks daily and my daily driver drove like a triaxle dump truck unloaded. Horrible.

When I picked up my new 23 powerboost it rode like a dream. Especially after driving 17 hours out to Granger Ford on the Nittos
Albeit the PB needs better shocks but I digress...the only reason I'd replace the stock tires is to give myself better puncture resistance. So far I've only needed to drive into work once in the snow and I was fine on the stock scorpions. Believe me, I wanted to find a reason to replace them but they were fine.

I might add that I drive a snow plow for a city with a lot of hills and I've seen more wrecks happen in front of my eyes than you could imagine. IMHO if you feel the need to drive in the deep snow, just run skid chains.

I say stick with the P rated stuff. Most people overbuy when it comes to 1/2 ton pickup tires.

Thank you for this.

I ended up ordering the Falken Wildpeak AT4W’s today, in 285/65/20… it is an E rated tire.
Probably overkill for only having snow 3-4 months a year at our cabin, but the snow/ice reviews I’ve read have all been exceptionally positive.

I nealry died last year rolling off a cliff, in the mountains, in snow conditions, due to inadequate tires on a rental SUV. After that, I’d rather be prepared than risk it on these sketchy nittos. ?

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