Catch can causing oil pan leak?

[Kidder]

I have the same one

Bottom line is your dealer is full of crap.

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[Gros Ventre]

Post the dealer's name. If we don't maintain a wall of shame, they will screw other people.

My dealer, with whom I'm quite happy, is Lithia Ford of Idaho Falls, Idaho. I've found them to be straight up and paying attention to the customer's needs. Give you an example: at about 58,000 miles I had a transmission shifter problem. I called them (about 120 miles away) and the service advisor noted it, then said, hey you're close to the 60,000 powertrain mark. So he opened up a service item over the phone, with the then current odometer, and when I got down there a day or so later it was handled under the warranty, no sweat. Turned out to be a folded over o-ring, allowing leakage when really cold.

 

[B-real]

Bottom line is your dealer is full of crap.

Yep. And it always amazes me when a dealer refuses to warranty something that seems like it should clearly be under warranty, when it is actually Ford's call as to what gets covered under warranty, not the dealer's. They either had a similar situation where they told a customer a repair would be covered and then Ford denied it so they had to eat the cost, or they want you to pay for the repair as they will likely charge you more than Ford would reimburse for the repair.

 

[omandave]

You might also point out that Ford Performance offers catch cans as an add on for a number of engines. To me, this is as indefensible as them refusing to warranty a rear differential because it has a Ford Performance aftermarket diff cover on it. They're trying to weasel out of work, and it costs Ford customers in the long run. Honestly, Ford should care (and they often do).

I installed the Ford Performance catch can setup to technically meet the "it is a Ford Product designed for my Ford Engine" justification... Dealer is trying to weasel out of it... my$0.02 worth.

 

[itsDom]

I noticed a small leak along the bolts holding in my plastic oil pan on my 2021 2.7 (see pic below). The dealer declined to repair it saying that my catch can changes the crank case pressure and therefore they won’t fix it under warranty. Are they just BS’ing me?

the dealer near me is pretty tough to work with, but as long as this is covered under my power train warranty I can deal with it later after my next move and I am near a better dealer. Anyone else had issues like this?

You have to make sure that you empty those catch cans quite frequently. I went through something similar but of course I was just slacking and wasn’t emptying the catch can as often as I should have, brought it to the dealership for an oil leak and the tech was able to trace the leak to the over flowing catch can.

maybe this helps… maybe it won’t!

 

[BRDVPRA]

This appears to be a pretty common issue with the 2.7/3.0L engines. We just had the pan gasket replaced on our 21 Explorer ST because it was leaking.

 

[Suns_PSD]

Catch cans causing oil leaks is a well-known issue and something I've personally experienced myself. You need to avoid these things.

Look there is pressure building in the crankcase all of the time which is why the OEM crankcase system creates a vacuum which reduces pressures on various gaskets, that aren't meant to be exposed to those pressures. With the vacuum removed you are going to be getting little spikes of crankcase pressure that is going to force oil through places it's not supposed to go.

The good news is that once you go back to stock, there is a good chance the oil leak will totally stop.

 

[Gros Ventre]

This is a false statement: "With the vacuum removed you are going to be getting little spikes of crankcase pressure that is going to force oil through places it's not supposed to go." A properly designed catchcan is fully a pass thru. No pressure is developed as a result of its installation.

 

[TruckGuy2020]

You have to make sure that you empty those catch cans quite frequently. I went through something similar but of course I was just slacking and wasn’t emptying the catch can as often as I should have, brought it to the dealership for an oil leak and the tech was able to trace the leak to the over flowing catch can.

maybe this helps… maybe it won’t!

Great point. I empty mine every oil change and it’s typically only 10% full though

 

[TruckGuy2020]

Catch cans causing oil leaks is a well-known issue and something I've personally experienced myself. You need to avoid these things.

Look there is pressure building in the crankcase all of the time which is why the OEM crankcase system creates a vacuum which reduces pressures on various gaskets, that aren't meant to be exposed to those pressures. With the vacuum removed you are going to be getting little spikes of crankcase pressure that is going to force oil through places it's not supposed to go.

The good news is that once you go back to stock, there is a good chance the oil leak will totally stop.

my catch can setup is a closed system though, the vacuum has not been removed. Do closed setups still cause vacuum issues?

 

[Ford Motor Company]

I noticed a small leak along the bolts holding in my plastic oil pan on my 2021 2.7 (see pic below). The dealer declined to repair it saying that my catch can changes the crank case pressure and therefore they won’t fix it under warranty. Are they just BS’ing me?

the dealer near me is pretty tough to work with, but as long as this is covered under my power train warranty I can deal with it later after my next move and I am near a better dealer. Anyone else had issues like this?

Hello! Send us a private message with your VIN and current mileage. Allow me to see what I can do to assist. Thanks!

 

[astrand1]

my catch can setup is a closed system though, the vacuum has not been removed. Do closed setups still cause vacuum issues?

No. Disregard what that other poster said. His statement is completely false. A properly installed and maintained catch can has zero effect on the engine or any vacuum pressures. All it does is trap liquids and allow the air to pass thru.

 

[gb7FRz26]

Bottom line is your dealer is full of crap.

What he said.

https://www.capitalone.com/cars/lea...s-the-magnusonmoss-warranty-act-for-cars/1578

CAN YOU MODIFY A CAR WITHOUT VOIDING ITS WARRANTY?
The simple answer is: it depends. Modifying a vehicle can make it more difficult to maintain warranty coverage, though the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act puts the burden on the automaker to prove that a modification directly contributed to the failure of a specific component. Acting as the automaker's agent, the franchised dealership will typically decide whether, say, oversize wheels and tires contributed to early failure of an axle. On occasion, the dealership may reach out to the automaker on your behalf to seek a resolution—though these situations are relatively rare.

What a dealership and an automaker cannot do, according to the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, is void a warranty simply because a modification is present. For instance, a lowered suspension with aftermarket springs and shocks is highly unlikely to directly contribute to an inoperative power door lock. In this case, the automaker should cover repair of the faulty door lock.

Aftermarket parts typically carry their own warranties, too. These warranties, while still falling under the guidelines set by Magnuson-Moss, are rarely as comprehensive as those that cover an entire vehicle.
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[Gros Ventre]

With regard to emptying the catchcan: I have observed that in cold weather (20º to -20ºF or colder) the catchcan fills up rather quickly particularly if you do short runs. I empty mine in the wintertime every 500 miles. In the summer it is noticeably far less than this.

 

[darkhorse]

Hmm... I'm a new 2023 Powerboost owner... and as any new owner, I just ordered a bunch of goodies including a J&L catch can. I've always believed they are good to install on any engine with a turbo. But from the comments, it looks like the effectiveness of it for this engine is all over the map? For those that have it installed, do you actually catch a reasonable amount of oil? Are you glad you installed it?

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