Toyo Open Country AT3 - P vs LT?

[flynnstone]

I have a ‘22 F150 Lariat with 20” fuel wheels/leveled. I’ve had 295/60/20 Nitto ridge grapplers on it for the past 6 months, but do not like the wet/slick performance, or the rough ride with with E rated tire.
I’m looking into replacing them with Toyo AT3’s, and they offer the same size i have now in E rated, or i can go 285/60/20 in P rated. The P rated saves about 20lbs per tire, and I’ve heard they’re more comfortable on the road.
Anyone have experience with these two options?

I do not tow with the truck. It’s used for travel to the mountains/cabin.

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[mxwrk]

I'm sure the P tires would be very comfortable and save a ton of weight, but I would never put them on my truck. Forget off-road, I'd be afraid a large pothole would blow them out. I have BFG Ko2's in "C" rating and no complaints so far on/off road. Maybe try to find something in C? If you don't do any off-roading maybe an LT?

 

[SpaceWhiteF150]

I agree with the above post, I run load range C on my rig!

 

[wessermgm]

I'm sure the P tires would be very comfortable and save a ton of weight, but I would never put them on my truck. Forget off-road, I'd be afraid a large pothole would blow them out. I have BFG Ko2's in "C" rating and no complaints so far on/off road. Maybe try to find something in C? If you don't do any off-roading maybe an LT?

I assume you are running 17" wheels? It is difficult to find a C load tire on a 20" wheel like OP has.

 

[mxwrk]

I assume you are running 17" wheels? It is difficult to find a C load tire on a 20" wheel like OP has.

Correct, 17's. I prefer more tire. If sticking with 20''s and the options are limited, I'd go with an E rated tire for sure.

 

[flynnstone]

Factory tires are P aren’t they? Do they get more blow outs than E??

 

[mxwrk]

Factory tires are P aren’t they? Do they get more blow outs than E??

Not sure what came stock on 20's, but doubt they were P rated, maybe an SL or LT or something? P rated tires are much thinner and softer for a more compliant ride, rated to carry much less weight safely. They may be fine if you keep it on the pavement and don't tow, I just wouldn't personally.

 

[mdn14]

They should be SL - which AFAIK, is a P rated tire.

 

[flynnstone]

They should be SL - which AFAIK, is a P rated tire.

Ya - P is SL

 

[GIjoe]

Goodluck with those Toyo’s, the wet performance is not that great despite what all the reviews out there say. Putting them on a pickup with lightweight rear end doesn’t help either. The p rated look like they have more siping and probably perform alot better

 

[flynnstone]

Goodluck with those Toyo’s, the wet performance is not that great despite what all the reviews out there say. Putting them on a pickup with lightweight rear end doesn’t help either. The p rated look like they have more siping and probably perform alot better

Out of 100 responses on people liking the toyos, there is inevitably 1-2 who dislike them. I’ll go with the odds

 

[SALEEN961]

It's worth pointing out that Toyo owns Nitto and both the Ridge Grappler and the Open Country A/TIII get the same 4.5 out of 5.0 rating for wet handling, I would expect similar performance.

I had Toyo Open Country A/TIII tires on my 2021 F150 in a LT275/65R20 size that was load range E. The ride was harsher than any of the 275/60R20 passenger tires I had run in the past, but it wasn't terrible. The wet handling seemed good at first, but it really wasn't great after the first 2/32" of tread wore off and I lost the extra biting edge on each tread block. Braking on snow and ice was sketchy enough that I sold the tires after only 6,500ish miles.

I've run the following tires on my F150s:

Bridgestone Dueller H/L Alenza: 275/55R20
Stock tire on my 2014, poor wet traction.

Nitto Terra Grappler G2 : 275/60R20
Great all around 4 season tire, surprisingly good in 18" deep snow , my second favorite all-terrain tire.

Falken Wildpeak A/T3W: 275/60R20
Slightly nosier than the Nittos, good wet road and snow traction for an all-terrain. Better straight line traction on icy roads compared to the Nittos, but easier to slide sideways on slick roads.

Hankook Dynapro AT2: 275/60R20
Stock tire on my 2021, poor wet traction

Toyo Open Country A/TIII: LT275/65R20
Over-hyped, not worth the money, there are much better options. Braking on snow covered/icy roads doesn't inspire confidence, but my truck did stop. Wet traction decreases after the first 2/32 of tread wear due to losing a biting edge on each tread block.

Continental TerrainContact A/T: 275/60R20
My favorite tire hands down, tons of grip in wet weather, quiet, smooth ride. I sometimes forget that I'm in 2H and not 4A because even with aggressive driving in the rain, traction is not an issue.

Bridgestone Blizzak DM-V2: 275/60R20
My favorite snow tire, I run these on my truck and on my wife's Nissan in the winter. Substantially better snow and ice performance compared to 3PMSF rated all-terrain and all-season tires. Last winter there was decent size crash in the middle of the 10° hill at the end on my street. I was able to confidently drive down the hill and weave between the disabled cars without any real concerns about losing traction or sliding into them.

 

[flynnstone]

It's worth pointing out that Toyo owns Nitto and both the Ridge Grappler and the Open Country A/TIII get the same 4.5 out of 5.0 rating for wet handling, I would expect similar performance.

I had Toyo Open Country A/TIII tires on my 2021 F150 in a LT275/65R20 size that was load range E. The ride was harsher than any of the 275/60R20 passenger tires I had run in the past, but it wasn't terrible. The wet handling seemed good at first, but it really wasn't great after the first 2/32" of tread wore off and I lost the extra biting edge on each tread block. Braking on snow and ice was sketchy enough that I sold the tires after only 6,500ish miles.

I've run the following tires on my F150s:

Bridgestone Dueller H/L Alenza: 275/55R20
Stock tire on my 2014, poor wet traction.

Nitto Terra Grappler G2 : 275/60R20
Great all around 4 season tire, surprisingly good in 18" deep snow , my second favorite all-terrain tire.

Falken Wildpeak A/T3W: 275/60R20
Slightly nosier than the Nittos, good wet road and snow traction for an all-terrain. Better straight line traction on icy roads compared to the Nittos, but easier to slide sideways on slick roads.

Hankook Dynapro AT2: 275/60R20
Stock tire on my 2021, poor wet traction

Toyo Open Country A/TIII: LT275/65R20
Over-hyped, not worth the money, there are much better options. Braking on snow covered/icy roads doesn't inspire confidence, but my truck did stop. Wet traction decreases after the first 2/32 of tread wear due to losing a biting edge on each tread block.

Continental TerrainContact A/T: 275/60R20
My favorite tire hands down, tons of grip in wet weather, quiet, smooth ride. I sometimes forget that I'm in 2H and not 4A because even with aggressive driving in the rain, traction is not an issue.

Bridgestone Blizzak DM-V2: 275/60R20
My favorite snow tire, I run these on my truck and on my wife's Nissan in the winter. Substantially better snow and ice performance compared to 3PMSF rated all-terrain and all-season tires. Last winter there was decent size crash in the middle of the 10° hill at the end on my street. I was able to confidently drive down the hill and weave between the disabled cars without any real concerns about losing traction or sliding into them.

This is awesome feedback! Thank you for sharing. I’ve also read amazing things about the Falken Wildpeak AT3’s. 8 months out of the year I’m driving in dry/desert conditions, however 3-4 months we travel up north into the mountains and have to deal with plowed/mountain roads and some ice. I just want something better than the Ridge Grapplers, which have been really bad in just rain… i can’t imagine snow/ice.

Both the Toyo and Falkens are 3 peaks certified. I think id rather just stick to one set rather than having to store a winter set for 3-4 months of sketchy highway driving.

i almost died last year rolling down a mountain in Colorado, in the winter, due to improper tires on our rental SUV. Will do whatever is needed to prevent that from happening again

 

[Polo08816]

This is awesome feedback! Thank you for sharing. I’ve also read amazing things about the Falken Wildpeak AT3’s. 8 months out of the year I’m driving in dry/desert conditions, however 3-4 months we travel up north into the mountains and have to deal with plowed/mountain roads and some ice. I just want something better than the Ridge Grapplers, which have been really bad in just rain… i can’t imagine snow/ice.

Both the Toyo and Falkens are 3 peaks certified. I think id rather just stick to one set rather than having to store a winter set for 3-4 months of sketchy highway driving.

i almost died last year rolling down a mountain in Colorado, in the winter, due to improper tires on our rental SUV. Will do whatever is needed to prevent that from happening again

Highway all season tires like the Michelin Defender LTX M/S2 and the Continental TerrainContact H/T typically perform better than AT tires in snow/ice.

 

[SALEEN961]

This is awesome feedback! Thank you for sharing. I’ve also read amazing things about the Falken Wildpeak AT3’s. 8 months out of the year I’m driving in dry/desert conditions, however 3-4 months we travel up north into the mountains and have to deal with plowed/mountain roads and some ice. I just want something better than the Ridge Grapplers, which have been really bad in just rain… i can’t imagine snow/ice.

Both the Toyo and Falkens are 3 peaks certified. I think id rather just stick to one set rather than having to store a winter set for 3-4 months of sketchy highway driving.

i almost died last year rolling down a mountain in Colorado, in the winter, due to improper tires on our rental SUV. Will do whatever is needed to prevent that from happening again

I wasn't a fan of having to store tires and swap out wheels twice a year either so I really tried hard to find a good all-terrain or all-season that worked for me. In the end I would up getting a second set of wheels and snow tires because I had too many concerning experiences without them. After getting snow tires for my truck, I don't think I'd ever go back to running all-seasons or all-terrains in the winter. The difference in braking and stability when going down steep grades just can't be compared.

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