Power-Up 4.2.3 Installed

[imnuts]

You're truck can reveal a lot more than you likely think it can. It is GPS enabled, so someone could access a history of EVERYWHERE you've been. This can give someone your home and work, as well as favorite places to go, your bank, if you have pets, the list goes on. If they have a way to access real-time location after you leave, they would also know when your aren't home. Since you're also likely setup with Fordpass, they could potentially get your email and information saved to your account. Knowing places you've visited and having an email could allow someone to bypass your login with questions if a website allows it. They could potentially also find your phone type and phone number based on phones paired with the truck, which could be another valuable piece of information for bypassing login info.

Granted, all of that is unlikely for the average person. If someone is going through those lengths to gather information on you, odds are you're being targeted and it wouldn't matter. Still, why would you want to make it any easier for someone than you have to?

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[DK4]

You're truck can reveal a lot more than you likely think it can. It is GPS enabled, so someone could access a history of EVERYWHERE you've been. This can give someone your home and work, as well as favorite places to go, your bank, if you have pets, the list goes on. If they have a way to access real-time location after you leave, they would also know when your aren't home. Since you're also likely setup with Fordpass, they could potentially get your email and information saved to your account. Knowing places you've visited and having an email could allow someone to bypass your login with questions if a website allows it. They could potentially also find your phone type and phone number based on phones paired with the truck, which could be another valuable piece of information for bypassing login info.

Granted, all of that is unlikely for the average person. If someone is going through those lengths to gather information on you, odds are you're being targeted and it wouldn't matter. Still, why would you want to make it any easier for someone than you have to?

Someone could just simply follow you and get 90% of the same information. That is like 1960’s technology.

We’ve had a similar conversation about someone being paranoid that a bad guy was using a telescope from a mile away to watch him punch in his door code on his truck in the Walmart parking lot

Like mentioned before, Jake from State Farm and the great old man Gaston Glock keep me asleep at night. The rest they can have.

 

[Snakebitten]

You're truck can reveal a lot more than you likely think it can. It is GPS enabled, so someone could access a history of EVERYWHERE you've been. This can give someone your home and work, as well as favorite places to go, your bank, if you have pets, the list goes on. If they have a way to access real-time location after you leave, they would also know when your aren't home. Since you're also likely setup with Fordpass, they could potentially get your email and information saved to your account. Knowing places you've visited and having an email could allow someone to bypass your login with questions if a website allows it. They could potentially also find your phone type and phone number based on phones paired with the truck, which could be another valuable piece of information for bypassing login info.

Granted, all of that is unlikely for the average person. If someone is going through those lengths to gather information on you, odds are you're being targeted and it wouldn't matter. Still, why would you want to make it any easier for someone than you have to?

I'm probably naive, but if those vulnerabilities are discovered it would be highly unlikely that it would just quietly be exploited and the public would never be informed.

In fact, this is exactly what those that benefit from discovering and then fear-mongering/reporting (exploiting) the vulnerability are hoping for.

I know what I sound like, and I'm not someone who thinks it's impossible. But dang.

 

[richardrocks]

I'm probably naive, but if those vulnerabilities are discovered it would be highly unlikely that it would just quietly be exploited and the public would never be informed.

In fact, this is exactly what those that benefit from discovering and then fear-mongering/reporting (exploiting) the vulnerability are hoping for.

I know what I sound like, and I'm not someone who thinks it's impossible. But dang.

This happens with Apple. 99% of users don’t know the specifics of various security vulnerabilities but those who do… can tell you how scary it is.

True, the average person is unlikely to face any real issues and can do a personal risk assessment. I, personally, have decided that I can live without Public Wi-Fi, meth, and so on.

 

[HammaMan]

Famous last words!

I know high level cyber security folks and they concede that we should all be terrified. That said, yeah, your truck is unlikely to be hacked. But some of the iPhone security vulnerabilities have been staggering, so if Apple can’t do it consistently, Ford definitely cannot.

Weaponized Ai is closer than many think (some of its already in-use), and we have no idea what lurks in that box. It's everywhere, all at once. That said, not even the cellular connection would be safe. In the short-term at least there's really no benefit to allowing your vehicle to connect to random wifi hotspots. It's a benefit-less potential attack vector. No thanks.

 

[TSGarp007]

4.2.3: Public Wi-Fi
4.2.4: VPN capability
4.2.5: Tor network compatibility

Patience please…

 

[STM]

You're truck can reveal a lot more than you likely think it can. It is GPS enabled, so someone could access a history of EVERYWHERE you've been. This can give someone your home and work, as well as favorite places to go, your bank, if you have pets, the list goes on. If they have a way to access real-time location after you leave, they would also know when your aren't home. Since you're also likely setup with Fordpass, they could potentially get your email and information saved to your account. Knowing places you've visited and having an email could allow someone to bypass your login with questions if a website allows it. They could potentially also find your phone type and phone number based on phones paired with the truck, which could be another valuable piece of information for bypassing login info.

Granted, all of that is unlikely for the average person. If someone is going through those lengths to gather information on you, odds are you're being targeted and it wouldn't matter. Still, why would you want to make it any easier for someone than you have to?

Theoretically, everything you say is completely possible...
However, someone with that level of knowledge.. Are they going to go to this much effort to get information on one single random person? With their skill set, won't they attempt to hack into something more surefire that will yield them sufficient returns?

 

[richardrocks]

all cybersecurity aside, I’m with @Snakebitten on this — what’s the real benefit of connecting this truck to Wi-Fi while at Starbucks or elsewhere?

 

[Kangio]

I don’t know if wifi would allow a “CAN injection threat”, but I’m sure someone will try. There will always be a way to circumvent security, especially if someone can hack your truck from your taillight,

https://www.theregister.com/2023/04/06/can_injection_attack_car_theft/

 

[powerboatr]

Received this earlier today. 22' F-150

that is weird, we could already connect to outside wifi, i do it all the time at brookshires when i wait for my wife to run in a grab things . and i use the neighbors wifi if i park int he far yard
maybe they tweaked it ???

 

[cheesedogf150]

that is weird, we could already connect to outside wifi, i do it all the time at brookshires when i wait for my wife to run in a grab things . and i use the neighbors wifi if i park int he far yard
maybe they tweaked it ???

Sounds like all this new update does is allow you to accept the T&C and pass a portal to login to public Wi-Fi if the network is fronted with some sort of browser auth.

 

[speedracercjr]

What benefits would hooking it up to public Wi-Fi include? We know OTA’s don’t come via Wi-Fi and there’s no web browser.

 

[DcnPat]

Probably more for the Lightning and Mach-E crowd. A slight benefit if you subscribe to Ford streaming to offload some of that data from cellular.

All in all, I'm not terribly concerned with public wifi either way. I am an IT professional, and I spent a good part of the past 2 decades in cybersecurity and continuity of operations. I grew up where my SSN was printed on your driver's license, paper checks, used to get your chow at the base cafeteria and was my student ID number for college. Yes crap happens, but the information is already out there for those who have the means and desire to find it and abuse it. Enroll in ID theft monitoring and have a plan for the when, not the if.

 

[mla_anderson]

all cybersecurity aside, I’m with @Snakebitten on this — what’s the real benefit of connecting this truck to Wi-Fi while at Starbucks or elsewhere?

If you live in an apartment where the truck can't reach your WiFi, it can be helpful for software updates.
If your truck cell plan is metered, you can do some downloads on a road trip without using that plan.

I park about 40' from my WiFi router and have unlimited data for the truck, so it doesn't make a difference to me.

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