How do I tell difference between gen 5 and gen 6?

[v8440]

Hi all, I just test drove a 2024 rcsb with a whipple yesterday. The salesman said it's a gen 6 stage 1, but it turned out to be an FP 700. At least, that's my conclusion based on the fact that the warranty is through ford. I now am wondering whether it's actually a gen 6 unit. How can you tell the difference? Another thing the salesman said that sounded odd, he told me the speed limiter was removed. He said the installer has the option to disable it during the installation process.

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[Fordphanatic]

The speed limiter can be modified with a custom tune. II have a EcoBoost truck that's tuned, and the speed limiter has been removed. As for the other part of your question I'm not sure. I'd say call Whipple and give them the serial number to the supercharger.

 

[v8440]

I wish I had the serial number. I'm not near the truck now, but I bet I can get the salesman to take a picture for me.

 

[v8440]

I bet the speed limiter is not actually removed. I do now have what I think is the serial number of the blower. Any chance someone here could tell me what it is?

 

[v8440]

185RF-W5-16076

 

[v8440]

Jesus, this guy has been wrong about literally everything related to the blower except that it has one. *edit-not you, gatorade, the salesman.

 

[Sigma1914]

I called Ford and Whipple about this same concern that I had. Ford told me that ALL Whipple FP700 units are in fact Gen 5X for a reason and that’s to “protect” the engine and to go along with the “Ford Performance” Warranty. Whipple confirmed this but please read the fine print on that LIMITED “Ford Performance” Warranty because it is basically the EXACT same warranty that Whipple offers with their 3Yr/36K Limited Powertrain Warranty. This was the determining factor as to why I decided to go with the latest Whipple Gen 6X Stage 1 unit and NOT the Ford Performance Whipple FP700. Because if I’m going to void the original Ford FACTORY Warranty that comes with purchasing the truck either way then I wanted the latest technology. So remember, Ford Performance Limited Warranty is NOT the same as the original Ford Factory Powertrain 5Yr/60K Warranty. They are different. I hope this helps you. I say go get the latest Gen 6X Stg 1 unit. The difference is 25HP and if they’re basically the same exact price, give me the added 25HP! 725HP with the Gen 6X Stg 1 and 700HP with the FP700 Gen 5X Stg 1 Whipple.

 

[v8440]

Isn't the peak torque of the stage 1 also quite a bit higher too?

 

[Sigma1914]

The incentive for the FP warranty is to give you added coverage to the powertrain warranty. The FP warranty provides a blanket addition to the original factory warranty in the event there was a warrantable failure with the Whipple unit while maintaining the original powertrain warranty for anything else not caused by the Whipple.

I confirmed with Ford that the “Ford Performance” limited warranty is not the same as the original Ford Powertrain warranty that comes with the truck. And no it is not an “Added” coverage onto the original powertrain warranty. It’s what you get with the FP700. You don’t get both. I’ve been down this road several times with Ford. The original powertrain warranty is voided once you install a Whipple. It’s just a matter of you electing to go with the Limited Ford Performance Powertrain Warranty or Whipple’s Limited Powertrain Warranty. And both are virtually the same language. Covers up to $7,500 towards a new engine and up to $2,000 towards a new 10-Speed Transmission. It basically comes down to the “Labor” language. With the Ford Performance Limited Warranty you’re more elected to have Ford cover/pay for the labor versus coming out of pocket with labor costs going through Whipple. But I’ve heard stories of customers getting Whipple to cover labor costs because it was deemed that the Supercharger failed and was the cause of said damages so the responsibility for all costs fell on Whipple. So I’m guessing that the customer’s 10-Speed transmission was good and just only needed an engine replacement and Whipple covered the new engine plus labor costs.

 

[Sigma1914]

“Engine, driveline and suspension
concerns NOT caused by an installed Ford Performance supercharger remain eligible for warranty coverage according to the terms of the New Vehicle Limited Warranty.“

This is the type of language I’m referring to because if the installed Ford Performance supercharger FAILED and is found at fault as to the reason for the failures on these listed components. It’s basically saying that Ford will not be responsible. So how is this good in any way? This doesn’t make me feel safe as the customer. My warranty coverage remains eligible only if the engine, driveline and suspension concerns were NOT caused by an installed Ford Performance supercharger? Why have the warranty in the first place?

 

[Sigma1914]

Having the coverage means you have your warranty in place….the why is in those words. If you don’t use this process then you have neither or at best the Whipple warranty that you can opt for but are more than likely going to not have any coverage for your engine itself if you get a bad egg. And to get that warranty you have to follow essentially the same requirements as the Ford Performance kit so most customers would opt to keep their factory warranty in place so in the event of an issue they can maintain coverage on all components plus the safety net of the max $11,500 depending on vehicle powertrain configuration (transfer case is $1,000 coverage if equippped). I’d say that’s actually a really good reason why to get the Ford Performance kit for our still current generation trucks

Issues not caused by the supercharger = factory warranty applies.

Plus

Issues caused by supercharger = limited Ford Performance warranty applies the additional coverage for the following:

Components covered and not covered under this warranty:

Engine Components
Covered: Pistons, piston rings, piston pins, crankshaft and bearings, connecting rods and bearings, camshafts rollers, timing chain and gears, intake/exhaust valves and seals, valve springs, oil pump, followers, and lash adjusters. If a failure of any of these parts damages either the engine block or cylinder heads, a remanufactured long block assembly will be provided up to the maximum coverage of $7500.00.
Non-covered: Those engine components specifically not listed including, but not limited to, parts, filters, etc., that are required to be replaced as a part of the vehicle’s normal maintenance schedule are not covered under this warranty.

Transmission Components
Covered: Torque converter, oil pump, governor, bands, drums, planetaries, shaft(s), sprag(s), bearings, shift rail(s), fork(s), and synchronizers.
Non-covered: All-wheel drive vehicles are excluded from transmission coverages under this Warranty. Failure of related parts external to the transmission that cause a transmission claim, including but not limited to, transmission coolers, levers, controls, etc., void coverage under this warranty.

Rear Axle Components
Covered: Rear axle, ring gear, drive pinion, pinion shaft, side gears, bearings, bearing cap, washers, slinger, axle shaft, housing and housing cover.

Transfer Case Components
Covered: All internally lubricated parts of the transfer case are covered under this warranty.
Non-covered: The transfer case housing is not covered under this warranty.

Good luck with this because it’s a grey area even with the FP700 Whipple. Like I said I’ve talked to my dealership, dealerships that install the FP SC and Ford Performance themselves about original powertrain warranty language and they’ve all pointed me to call “Whipple Superchargers.” As they could not give me a straight forward answer. Like I’ve showed you. It’s in the fine print and you are twisting the language to your own terminology. It’s there in plain English. If all Ford Performance can do is point me to Whipple. What does that tell you? Like I’ve told you if something were to happen to your engine even with the FP Whipple it’s going to be covered under that Limited Ford Performance Warranty and NOT the original 5 Year 60K Powertrain Factory warranty because of adding the FP Whipple. See how small this fine print is below in the screenshot picture I added? You might want to read that. And it’s why you will NOT be covered by “Both” warranties (There’s no such thing) if the supercharger fails and is the cause of an accident engine failure. Now in the event of the FP Whipple voiding the original powertrain warranty you were correct. You will not void the original powertrain warranty by adding the FP Whipple but keep reading the fine print language. The only reason the original 5 yr 60k powertrain warranty will come into play is if there are any defects in FORD’S materials or workmanship not caused by the FP Whipple itself. It states this language throughout the paperwork but you continue to overlook it and manipulate the plain English. Now there are dealerships that back the FP Whipple and if the Whipple causes damages to the engine they will indeed back all costs. On the flip side there are dealerships that install these FP Whipple SC and will NOT give you that same coverage because of the language on the Limited Ford Performance Warranty paperwork. I say do your homework BEFORE adding ANY “aftermarket parts” and call around to different dealerships because it seems as if these warranties vary from dealership to dealership.

 

[Sigma1914]

Isn't the peak torque of the stage 1 also quite a bit higher too?

On the Gen 6x stg 1 yes the torque is significantly higher. You get 650 torque with the Gen 6x vs. only 590 torque with the FP Gen 5x.

 

[Sigma1914]

I do agree there is massive fragmentation between dealerships and even FP customer service knowledge. It is definitely a weakness in Ford for sure.

I'm not understanding where I'm manipulating words as you just restated what I had said. That's what both means. If there's an engine defect the factory warranty covers it. If the Whipple blows up the engine and is found to be at fault for said destruction the limited warranty offers a limited coverage warranty...

The “manipulating” comes into play by not telling the WHOLE truth up front about these warranties. People look for plain English terms but in earlier posts you seemed to dance around it like most dealerships do by NOT stating the obvious as you just did in your last post.
Now it took you how many posts to state this? That’s what I referred to as manipulation.

“If there's an engine defect the factory warranty covers it. If the Whipple blows up the engine and is found to be at fault for said destruction the limited warranty offers a limited coverage warranty...”

And like I’ve stated the LATTER part of your comment is going to be the defecto 9 times out of 10. “If the Whipple blows up the engine and is found to be at fault for said destruction the limited warranty offers a limited coverage warranty...” This is why I said good luck because it’s a grey area and that’s when the finger pointing between Ford and Whipple will began and the customer suffers because now their truck is just sitting at someone’s dealership waiting on the finger pointing to stop and repairs to began. All while who is found “liable” for the damages is being determined. You made it “seem” like BOTH warranties will cover you and what one won’t do the other will kick in and help out when that’s NOT the case. NOW you mentioned a “Limited Warranty” if the Whipple blows up the engine. That was NOT your tune earlier until I mentioned the only reason Ford’s original 5Yr/60k powertrain warranty would come into play is from any defects in FORD’s materials and or workmanship NOT caused by the FP Whipple. Nice try but we were NOT saying the same thing. You just did what EVERY Ford dealer does. Which is why I said that you were in fact being manipulative. ???

 

[Sigma1914]

There’s no Gen 6x

Can you help me read this from Whipple Superchargers website? I think I clearly see THEM say it’s a Gen 6x Stg 1 unit and that it is different AND updated from the Gen 6 Stg 1.

 

[Sigma1914]

Yes so manipulative to say: “The incentive for the FP warranty is to give you added coverage to the powertrain warranty. The FP warranty provides a blanket addition to the original factory warranty in the event there was a warrantable failure with the Whipple unit while maintaining the original powertrain warranty for anything else not caused by the Whipple.”

Which has been understood by our customers pretty easily and is why they chose our product

And ALL of this “blanket addition” talk SHRINKS or disappears to a “LIMITED FP Warranty” IF the Whipple fails and blows the engine. Like I said earlier. That “blanket addition” is only for FORD’s materials and workmanship NOT caused by the FP Whipple. If that’s saying the same thing then ok ?.

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