Suns_PSD
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Hey guys, I took advantage of the Black Friday sale and purchased these:
Full Race | Full-Race 2021+ Ford F-150 & Raptor 3.5L EcoBoost Formline® Turbo Manifolds (GEN3)
If you are not familiar here are the claimed gains with just this part alone being swapped:
If you're attention span is such that the 7 minute video is too exhausting to watch, well it's not a perfect test. They compared a dead stock truck, to a different truck that had the manifolds and a tune, and they put that second truck back to stock to isolate just the manifolds.
The stock truck with stock manifolds to a different stock truck with manifolds showed a 52hp/ 45lb (10%hp/ 15% tq gains) higher numbers with the manifold truck. The issue for me is that even different sized tires can alter a baseline setting. It would have been better to install the manifolds on the same truck.
They then tested a tuned truck with stock manifolds vs. a tuned truck with manifolds and showed a 55hp/ 78lb (13%/ 15%) gain.
Looking at the dyno charts shows substantial 'under the curve' improvements which is what really matters.
For me, I figured that this was likely the next low hanging fruit and honestly my final engine mod. I've looked at the turbo kits and those guys are spending $8K for like 50 rwhp, from what I have seen. No thanks!
So, me and a buddy installed the kit, it sucked honestly and took us 12 hours total, and he's a professional tech.
Now at first, I noticed some small changes. But mods are like that. You expect some huge change and at first you are a bit disappointed, but after driving your usual routes for a few days you start to notice some real differences. Also, it's important to note, that when the batteries are disconnected for hours, there is a relearn process and the engine will be more conservative with boost and timing as it slowly creeps in the timing testing the limits. Livernois informed me of this. This still applies with the E85 tune I run. It's also a reason that if you swapped these and redynoed the same day you would not see the entire gains.
So for the differences: They are pretty substantial honestly. I know there are faster (and lighter!) trucks than mine, but she really scoots. It absolutely gets boost easier. Some of you might have noticed that you need substantial throttle to see any boost pressure, like over 1/3 throttle I'd guess. Well, it picks up boost easier for sure. The match between the new manifold and the turbo is much better now and I think velocity is improved in spite of the larger diameter and the turbo just spins up quicker. Peak power is absolutely improved a noticeable amount. I'd believe 50 rwhp, easily. Since my set up was likely somewhere around 550 rwhp per Livernois, it stands to reason that my gains might be a bit higher and I'm probably sitting a bit above 600 hp/ 600 tq at the rear wheels.
There is a small sound change but it's minor. The motor has a tiny bit of grumble that it did not have before.
So that's my last engine mod...I swear.
Full Race | Full-Race 2021+ Ford F-150 & Raptor 3.5L EcoBoost Formline® Turbo Manifolds (GEN3)
If you are not familiar here are the claimed gains with just this part alone being swapped:
If you're attention span is such that the 7 minute video is too exhausting to watch, well it's not a perfect test. They compared a dead stock truck, to a different truck that had the manifolds and a tune, and they put that second truck back to stock to isolate just the manifolds.
The stock truck with stock manifolds to a different stock truck with manifolds showed a 52hp/ 45lb (10%hp/ 15% tq gains) higher numbers with the manifold truck. The issue for me is that even different sized tires can alter a baseline setting. It would have been better to install the manifolds on the same truck.
They then tested a tuned truck with stock manifolds vs. a tuned truck with manifolds and showed a 55hp/ 78lb (13%/ 15%) gain.
Looking at the dyno charts shows substantial 'under the curve' improvements which is what really matters.
For me, I figured that this was likely the next low hanging fruit and honestly my final engine mod. I've looked at the turbo kits and those guys are spending $8K for like 50 rwhp, from what I have seen. No thanks!
So, me and a buddy installed the kit, it sucked honestly and took us 12 hours total, and he's a professional tech.
Now at first, I noticed some small changes. But mods are like that. You expect some huge change and at first you are a bit disappointed, but after driving your usual routes for a few days you start to notice some real differences. Also, it's important to note, that when the batteries are disconnected for hours, there is a relearn process and the engine will be more conservative with boost and timing as it slowly creeps in the timing testing the limits. Livernois informed me of this. This still applies with the E85 tune I run. It's also a reason that if you swapped these and redynoed the same day you would not see the entire gains.
So for the differences: They are pretty substantial honestly. I know there are faster (and lighter!) trucks than mine, but she really scoots. It absolutely gets boost easier. Some of you might have noticed that you need substantial throttle to see any boost pressure, like over 1/3 throttle I'd guess. Well, it picks up boost easier for sure. The match between the new manifold and the turbo is much better now and I think velocity is improved in spite of the larger diameter and the turbo just spins up quicker. Peak power is absolutely improved a noticeable amount. I'd believe 50 rwhp, easily. Since my set up was likely somewhere around 550 rwhp per Livernois, it stands to reason that my gains might be a bit higher and I'm probably sitting a bit above 600 hp/ 600 tq at the rear wheels.
There is a small sound change but it's minor. The motor has a tiny bit of grumble that it did not have before.
So that's my last engine mod...I swear.
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