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In August of 2023 had to service my 2022 F150 3.5L Ecoboost, which had 38,800 miles on it. Vehicle Lost power when accelerating and white smoke present.
Dealership sent the following message after diagnosis:

RO # 373375 . 36824 MILES . p0299, p2ab8. passenger side turbo (bank 1) impeller nut fell off and went through turbo charger, damaging it. this caused the turbo to leak oil and fill the entire intake system with engine oil. r/r bank 1 turbo, r/r multiple components to drain/clean oil out of there.

there was supposedly caked oil and sludge caused when the nut went through the turbocharger. Repairs were completed.

I have routinely changed the oil over the past year. The beginning of August this year, similar symptoms were observed, at 59.700 miles. I took it back to the same dealership. After attempting to diagnose the vehicle, they advised there was too much sludge in the engine and would need a new engine and turbocharger. They requested receipts showing oil maintenance. I had the receipts from where I had purchased the oil and filters each time I changed the oil, which I did myself. I changed the oil routinely, at least every two-three months (approximately every 7,500k).

According to the dealership, they did not further diagnose the vehicle once they observed the sludge. It’s been 30 days and they still haven’t ordered parts, citing that they need approval from Ford. The Ford representative has indicated that since I have provided the receipts to both the dealership and Ford, the repairs should be covered under warranty. However, the service advisor from the dealership won’t order the parts, because he needs Ford’s Approval. Ford is advising from what they see it should be covered under the powertrain warranty. However, Ford advisor did state it’s the dealership that gives the final approval for warranty coverage.

neither, the Ford Advisor or I can get any answers from the dealership service advisor. He doesn’t return calls or emails.

I’m afraid they aren’t going to cover the repairs since I changed the oil each time personally.

my two questions are:
1) is it reasonable that this current issue is related to the prior incident last year, which caused oil and coolant to leak into the engine causing the catastrophic failure? If not what would cause this issue since I did change the oil/filter routinely, and have proof I purchased the products to do so?

2) can the repairs be denied warranty coverage due to me changing the oil each time myself instead of a mechanic shop doing it? Even though I have dated receipts where I purchased the oil/filters and changed them on the same days as the purchase?
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A lot to unpack here.

1. Tell us about the coolant leak - you didn't mention it in your August '23 problem, first mention was in your question #1.
2. Other than correct viscosity oil / filters, you add any aftermarket oil treatment products or a 'large' quantities of fuel system cleaners?
 
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filters, you add any aftermarket oil treatment products
sorry about that. The August ‘23 issues included the oil and coolant leaking into the engine and/or turbocharger.

No aftermarket fluids were added. Only the recommended oil, which was Mobile-1 5W-30
 

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Can you get it moved to another dealer?
 

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cleaners?
I’m Sorry I missed read the part about the colorant leak on the service paperwork. Disregard that part
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I did not add any additives, or cleaners. Just the recommended oil.

***disregard the coolant part. I misread that part on the service pap
Might have to. I’m just concerned that since it has sludge that they will try and push it on me. Even though I did my part in the routine maintenance
 

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If you've got sludge using mobil 1 with sub 5k mile oil changes, it's clearly not your fault. Sounds like the first time they didn't completely clean up the mess it made and now you've suffered the consequences of it.
 

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Your warranty is still in effect with your receipts. This is the law. That a nut fell off tells me that there is a fundamental design defect with the Ford turbo. Ford is trying to avoid its responsibility (no surprise) and blame the victim.

Time to engage an attorney who specializes in these matters. The attorney notifying the dealer and Ford in writing will escalate the matter.
 

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In August of 2023 had to service my 2022 F150 3.5L Ecoboost, which had 38,800 miles on it. Vehicle Lost power when accelerating and white smoke present.
Dealership sent the following message after diagnosis:

RO # 373375 . 36824 MILES . p0299, p2ab8. passenger side turbo (bank 1) impeller nut fell off and went through turbo charger, damaging it. this caused the turbo to leak oil and fill the entire intake system with engine oil. r/r bank 1 turbo, r/r multiple components to drain/clean oil out of there.

there was supposedly caked oil and sludge caused when the nut went through the turbocharger. Repairs were completed.

I have routinely changed the oil over the past year. The beginning of August this year, similar symptoms were observed, at 59.700 miles. I took it back to the same dealership. After attempting to diagnose the vehicle, they advised there was too much sludge in the engine and would need a new engine and turbocharger. They requested receipts showing oil maintenance. I had the receipts from where I had purchased the oil and filters each time I changed the oil, which I did myself. I changed the oil routinely, at least every two-three months (approximately every 7,500k).

According to the dealership, they did not further diagnose the vehicle once they observed the sludge. It’s been 30 days and they still haven’t ordered parts, citing that they need approval from Ford. The Ford representative has indicated that since I have provided the receipts to both the dealership and Ford, the repairs should be covered under warranty. However, the service advisor from the dealership won’t order the parts, because he needs Ford’s Approval. Ford is advising from what they see it should be covered under the powertrain warranty. However, Ford advisor did state it’s the dealership that gives the final approval for warranty coverage.

neither, the Ford Advisor or I can get any answers from the dealership service advisor. He doesn’t return calls or emails.

I’m afraid they aren’t going to cover the repairs since I changed the oil each time personally.

my two questions are:
1) is it reasonable that this current issue is related to the prior incident last year, which caused oil and coolant to leak into the engine causing the catastrophic failure? If not what would cause this issue since I did change the oil/filter routinely, and have proof I purchased the products to do so?

2) can the repairs be denied warranty coverage due to me changing the oil each time myself instead of a mechanic shop doing it? Even though I have dated receipts where I purchased the oil/filters and changed them on the same days as the purchase?
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Did the oil you use Meet the API and ford specification for that engine. Alot of people don't realize it goes beyond just the correct oil weight now days. If it was slugging it usally involves these things. Excessive temperature, incorrect oil spec, oil coolant contamination, poor quality fuel (incomplete combustion), high idle times, consistently short drive time.
 
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Did the oil you use Meet the API and ford specification for that engine. Alot of people don't realize it goes beyond just the correct oil weight now days. If it was slugging it usally involves these things. Excessive temperature, incorrect oil spec, oil coolant contamination, poor quality fuel (incomplete combustion), high idle times, consistently short drive time.
On this Ford Page for 21 F-150s there is a "GF-6" rating on the oil. Note that references to these GF ratings state that it is not backwards compatible (EG don't use GF-5 or lower even if the viscosity is correct). Bottom line read the label fine print. https://media.ford.com/content/dam/...2021/f150/pdfs/2021-F-150-Technical-Specs.pdf
 
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As of now it seems they are covering it under the warranty. They finally ordered the engine and have received it. According to the Ford advisor, they have started the instal of the new engine. It’s took almost two months, but finally it appears they are moving forward.
 

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On this Ford Page for 21 F-150s there is a "GF-6" rating on the oil. Note that references to these GF ratings state that it is not backwards compatible (EG don't use GF-5 or lower even if the viscosity is correct). Bottom line read the label fine print. https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/North America/US/product/2021/f150/pdfs/2021-F-150-Technical-Specs.pdf
You might find this interesting since you mentioned GF-6 oils. In practice GF-6 oil only offered added LSPI protection when new. Aged GF-6 oil offered very similar LSPI protection to the GF-5 and API SN Plus oils that GF-6 replaced.

Starting in 2025 we should start seeing new GF-7 oils that offer greatly increased LSPI protection for aged oil. This definitely seems like a worthwhile upgrade given the very long oil change intervals that most manufacturers recommend, especially since LSPI resistance isn't something that most labs test for when you send in a used oil sample.


https://www.oronite.com/products-technology/passengercarmotoroils/ilsac-gf-7-specification.html

As a global leader in passenger car motor oil additives, Chevron Oronite will offer a range of solutions to help its customers prepare for the implementation of the new GF-7 category. One of the most important priorities of the new ILSAC GF-7 category is to help deliver improved fuel economy in addition to tangible benefits for OEMs and consumers, as shown in the chart below.

Estimated ILSAC GF-7 performance relative to GF-6, API SN Plus, and GF-5.

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